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Todd Simpson
post Mar 21 2014, 04:15 AM
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Cool vid showing how to use two mics and simple mic placement to eliminate some inherent "fizz" caused often on high gain amps. No plugins required smile.gif



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post Mar 21 2014, 12:43 PM
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Cool stuff Todd. After many experiments my favorite mic position is traight, between coil and cone with 7 to 10 cm distance. Of course only if just one mic is available smile.gif


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post Mar 21 2014, 10:23 PM
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That's a good placement smile.gif Gets the punch from the coil and some nice bass from the cone. What he is doing in this vid is taking advantage of some noise/phase cancelling that occurs naturally. It's a clever way to reduce fuzz so common on high gain amps and on celestion V30 speakers which are in so many cab.

The sound/frequencies "bunch up" (in high gain rigs) near the highs and lows so you get MUD and FIZZ. Pre-Eq of the signal is an easy way around this of course with a nice parametric eq or two smile.gif But doing it this way does seem more simple, just grab two mics smile.gif


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Cool stuff Todd. After many experiments my favorite mic position is traight, between coil and cone with 7 to 10 cm distance. Of course only if just one mic is available smile.gif


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post Mar 22 2014, 05:45 PM
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This is also a great reason (or option?) to use a Ribbon mic on a distorted guitar amp. They attenuate some of the high end and push some mids.


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post Mar 22 2014, 06:13 PM
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That's a great idea actually!! Thanks much for posting. I've used ribbon mic in various sims (including my djent patch on the 11 rack) and it's often my fav mic type on sims as they just don't pickup the fizz like a 57 does. I"ve used them in TH2 as well. I have never actually owned a real one so I've never tried it on a cab but I think I'm gonna add one to mic locker smile.gif

The MXL R144 ribbon mic runs about $100. So it's not crazy pricey and has a good rep.
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Here is a pic of two mics set in the anti fizz position. More than one way to skin any cat!

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This is also a great reason (or option?) to use a Ribbon mic on a distorted guitar amp. They attenuate some of the high end and push some mids.


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post Mar 22 2014, 07:14 PM
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The only thing about a ribbon that can be problematic is that you do need a good mic pre that has a decent amount of gain/headroom.
http://www.royerlabs.com/preampconsiderations.html

http://www.royerlabs.com/usingribbonmics.html
http://www.royerlabs.com/dosanddonts.html
http://www.emusician.com/engineers-produce...c-summit/146670


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post Mar 22 2014, 08:24 PM
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Good point! Without breaking the bank, most decent audio interface/sound cards will already have at least one pre-amp on board that should do the trick. My presonus 16.0.2 has 13 pretty spiff mic preamps on board, while the 11 rack has just 1. The good news is, if you have a decent interface, you can probably get by on that.

However, if you've got some budget, adding a nice mic preamp is a worth investment and a great way to start filling out your home studio rack smile.gif



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The only thing about a ribbon that can be problematic is that you do need a good mic pre that has a decent amount of gain/headroom.
http://www.royerlabs.com/preampconsiderations.html

http://www.royerlabs.com/usingribbonmics.html
http://www.royerlabs.com/dosanddonts.html
http://www.emusician.com/engineers-produce...c-summit/146670


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post Mar 24 2014, 11:01 AM
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I tried some ribbon - they can really sound the way You hear the amp live but the unidirectional characteristic of those I tried would be a problem on live gigs. I found Beyerdynamics makes M160 cardioid ribbon mic but had no opportunity to try it out


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Yes, DON'T try most ribbon mics at live gigs smile.gif It's primarily (though not always/every case) a studio tool so best at recording at home/studio etc. smile.gif

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I tried some ribbon - they can really sound the way You hear the amp live but the unidirectional characteristic of those I tried would be a problem on live gigs. I found Beyerdynamics makes M160 cardioid ribbon mic but had no opportunity to try it out



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