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post Apr 5 2014, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Apr 5 2014, 01:10 PM) *
Heat gun is used quite a lot BUT the trick is to keep it moving and not leaving it in one place for too long!


Might have made my job a lot easier, but on the other hand I got it very smooth by doing it all with a sander. smile.gif


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post Apr 5 2014, 01:38 PM
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I couldn't get it off with a sander and the heat gun has been LABOR. That coating is so thick, it's clear, then black, then some sort of yellowish shell under the black, and by the time you heat that yellow shell up enough to flake it, it starts to scorch the wood (for me - first time ever doing this sort of thing). But the sander has worked great at getting most of the scorch out. Also, the sides don't seem to have the thick coating that the front has. So I'll work on sides and back this weekend.

The only thing I'm going to do to the neck is sand the clear finish off the back.
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post Apr 5 2014, 05:03 PM
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Wow man - so you are doing this on your own! Amazing biggrin.gif I would never have the guts to start such a project on my own, out of sheer fear of ruining the axe smile.gif It is clearly not your first project, right?


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post Apr 5 2014, 08:14 PM
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No, you misunderstand - I have totally ruined that Jackson. But I'm hoping the ruined look will turn out looking cool.

The other Jackson I just purchased yesterday. Before I started this project, that was the look I hoped to be able to achieve but I ended up achieving a mangled-charred mess. But I am excited about my new Jackson. I'm going to hot-rod it (not me - a professional), with a Floyd Rose original, also got the 37mm fat block for the Floyd Rose, and new set of Zakk Wylde EMDs.
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post Apr 6 2014, 12:16 AM
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EGAD!!! There's "relic'd and then there's "DESTROYED" smile.gif
Thankfully, those particular jacksons are pretty dissapointing guitars in general so you haven't lost much wink.gif I bought one a few years back and returned it the next day.

On a positive note, looks like you found the guitar you wanted on ebay!! Here's to hoping it's a killer axe. It's always a crap shoot on ebay. Record something for us once it comes in!



QUOTE (Spock @ Apr 5 2014, 04:39 AM) *
Well, I have Good news and bad news.


The Good news is, I am relicing a Jackson Dinky!

The Bad News is - it was never my intention to relic it!


I wanted to strip the paint off and refinish it, because I found a Jackson finish that I love the look of and have wanted ever since I first saw it. I searched Google and could only find a couple of models, one in the UK, and another Europe somewhere. I actually called the UK store and the price was equivalent to $600 US. But I would have had to pay shipping and duty taxes. All together bringing the guitar up to $900 (my estimate) which was too much for a guitar which I was going to have to upgrade some hardware on.

So I purchased the cheap used Jackson and watched videos on refinishing a guitar. That's also when I considered Warmoth. Came to find out, that to build the body I wanted alone, would have cost $1,000 (without the EMG pickups - but Floyd Rose included) all together, after the luthier put it together, it would have been a $2,000 guitar.

So I pulled out the sander and heat gun and went to work on the black Jackson...

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It didn't take me long to realize this was not going to turn out the way I had dreamed. So my new plan is to make it look intentionally rough as hell. It could actually look pretty awesome - sort of like that Zakk Wylde LP posted earlier in this thread. Before I started sanding it though, I had a couple of people say they thought it looked awesome burned to a crisp, like the 2nd picture above.

ALL IS NOT LOST though.

Because, as I was looking for a Floyd Rose on Ebay located here in the states. I could not believe that I found the EXACT Jackson I had been looking for. I had searched Ebay numerous times, gone through pages and pages of Google searches - and there it was.

So I got it. Brand new - and it cost $450. Which is a lot less expensive than when it was originally being sold a few years ago - Jackson has stopped making this particular guitar - but you can still find it in clear color-coated versions.

So, I am on cloud 9 today - can not wait. I have a Floyd Rose original on delivery and EMG 81/85s.


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post Apr 6 2014, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 5 2014, 07:16 PM) *
EGAD!!! There's "relic'd and then there's "DESTROYED" smile.gif
Thankfully, those particular jacksons are pretty dissapointing guitars in general so you haven't lost much wink.gif I bought one a few years back and returned it the next day.

On a positive note, looks like you found the guitar you wanted on ebay!! Here's to hoping it's a killer axe. It's always a crap shoot on ebay. Record something for us once it comes in!




Indeed, I called the music store Biggs Music in New York, and talked to them about the guitar. The guy was super nice. He admitted the pickups were crap - the "Duncan Designed", but the guitar is beautiful and the neck is the classic Jackson soloist neck - just bolt on (Dinky). He said I would benefit from the added block weight, and the EMGs. It's a new guitar, never owned, and the pictures of it hanging in the store looked great - so I am more optimistic about this one, plus the reviews I've read. At least I know I like the look, the neck, and will love the pups and Floyd Rose.

The guitar I'm "relicing", at this point I'm going for this look...


Behold, my self-customized Jackson...








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post Apr 6 2014, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (Spock @ Apr 5 2014, 07:14 PM) *
No, you misunderstand - I have totally ruined that Jackson. But I'm hoping the ruined look will turn out looking cool.

The other Jackson I just purchased yesterday. Before I started this project, that was the look I hoped to be able to achieve but I ended up achieving a mangled-charred mess. But I am excited about my new Jackson. I'm going to hot-rod it (not me - a professional), with a Floyd Rose original, also got the 37mm fat block for the Floyd Rose, and new set of Zakk Wylde EMDs.


Wow man biggrin.gif I understood you ruined it, but I thought it wasn't the first time you are doing the operations smile.gif That's why I was asking - any project can go wrong, even for experienced people, right?


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post Apr 6 2014, 07:20 PM
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Sadly yeah, the duncan designed pups are sorta crap. With jacksons, the import models sometimes are not quite complete in terms of the fret work so you may need to take it in and have the frets leveled and maybe sanded if they stick out on the sides and dig in to your hand. It's a great looking top on that guitar! Great looking finish. With some better pickups and the floyd upgrade, should sound nice once you give it a fit and finish for whatever bits they didn't round out. But that's tru of nearly all the guitars in the low/mid price range as vendors continue to outsource and push up the numbers being made.

Even my GRAVE LTD which lists for 1200 bux had it's issues. The MOCKING BIRD I just bought and returned, lists for over a thousand as well and the low E would not intonate no matter what. Buying before playing is always a crap shoot but if the guitar is one you like, it's worth keeping and working on to make it spiff smile.gif



QUOTE (Spock @ Apr 5 2014, 07:43 PM) *
Indeed, I called the music store Biggs Music in New York, and talked to them about the guitar. The guy was super nice. He admitted the pickups were crap - the "Duncan Designed", but the guitar is beautiful and the neck is the classic Jackson soloist neck - just bolt on (Dinky). He said I would benefit from the added block weight, and the EMGs. It's a new guitar, never owned, and the pictures of it hanging in the store looked great - so I am more optimistic about this one, plus the reviews I've read. At least I know I like the look, the neck, and will love the pups and Floyd Rose.

The guitar I'm "relicing", at this point I'm going for this look...


Behold, my self-customized Jackson...








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post Apr 7 2014, 01:19 AM
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I'm Still Sandin', Yea Yea Yea....

And believing I can make this work. This is after the first round of sanding with 50 grit - ran out of sunlight. But it is turning out better than I thought it would yesterday...

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post May 2 2014, 06:47 PM
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There's a lot of great companies that make relic bodies and necks (MJT is a solid one). There is also some SUPER cool companies that will take your guitars and upgrade and do whatever kind of relic you want, which I think is really rad.

BUT

nothing compares to really having a guitar for years and beating the snot out of it. tongue.gif


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post May 2 2014, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (Hexabuzz @ Mar 29 2014, 11:16 AM) *
We guitar players can be very strange...

We want a 1965 guitar to look like it's been to hell and back, but...

We'd want a 1965 Mustang restored to look like it just drove out of the factory, not with a million miles of driving!

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That's the story behind it! Fender Guitar company suffered years ago, cause amount of sold guitars went down dramatically.
So they, kind of reinvented themself as guitar company, coming up with the idea of reliced guitars. The stupid part of that story is,
that you have to pay twice as much for a reliced (others call it distressed or damaged) guitar, than for a brand new one (one without scratches, dings and dongs). Imagine car industry will start selling reliced cars.... crazy idea. Grover Jackson of Gj2-Guitars (www.gj2guitars.com) said last year about his guitars: If you want to have a reliced Gj2 - buy a brand new one, play hell out of it for one or two years - there you have your own reliced guitar". Sad to say, but even Gj2 started now selling reliced guitars, as you can see on their webpage. So, it is just a big business behind. Guitarplayer tend to be funny kind of people.


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post May 3 2014, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE (SeeJay @ May 2 2014, 05:47 PM) *
There's a lot of great companies that make relic bodies and necks (MJT is a solid one). There is also some SUPER cool companies that will take your guitars and upgrade and do whatever kind of relic you want, which I think is really rad.

BUT

nothing compares to really having a guitar for years and beating the snot out of it. tongue.gif


Indeed man smile.gif A relic is a relic, not only because of the looks but also and most importantly because of the stories of each scratch and dent wink.gif So, as you say, nothing beats a real relic smile.gif


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post May 7 2014, 12:04 AM
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What do you guys think about the Road Worn straps :
http://www.fender.com/accessories/straps/f...rn-strap-brown/

I must admit they do look cool to me (though I wouldn't mind the same one but "new") smile.gif

Also, I can't help but think if they also "road worn" the strap holes so it makes it easier to kill your guitar if it slips laugh.gif
What would be next, road worn picks where the tip is gone and grinded hehe smile.gif

I have a feeling they might be taking the concept slightly too far - I can understand it for the guitar but going for accessories too...?



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post May 7 2014, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ May 6 2014, 11:04 PM) *
What do you guys think about the Road Worn straps :
http://www.fender.com/accessories/straps/f...rn-strap-brown/

I must admit they do look cool to me (though I wouldn't mind the same one but "new") smile.gif

Also, I can't help but think if they also "road worn" the strap holes so it makes it easier to kill your guitar if it slips laugh.gif
What would be next, road worn picks where the tip is gone and grinded hehe smile.gif

I have a feeling they might be taking the concept slightly too far - I can understand it for the guitar but going for accessories too...?


My thought exactly!

I dropped a guitar from a strap not one but 2 times so far, because of the strap being too worn - none of that for me anymore, sir!

I want my straps to be sturdy as steel, so I think that it's best to protect your instrument, rather than make a fashion statement smile.gif


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post May 7 2014, 03:16 PM
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The ends look 'new' as in not stretched out and it says reinforced stitching so it looks old but it's still a new strap.

That being said, a guitar strap can get pretty worn in looking pretty fast.


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post May 8 2014, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ May 7 2014, 02:16 PM) *
The ends look 'new' as in not stretched out and it says reinforced stitching so it looks old but it's still a new strap.

That being said, a guitar strap can get pretty worn in looking pretty fast.


Oh, I think I get it - it just 'looks' old smile.gif


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post May 8 2014, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 8 2014, 12:53 AM) *
Oh, I think I get it - it just 'looks' old smile.gif


Exactly (and you pay extra for that).

One of the things that IMO makes over-relic'd guitars look fake is that the 'scars' are (usually) still wood sealed and lacquered over ... which is totally unrealistic. The other is the generally non-realistic wear patterns.


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post May 8 2014, 09:24 PM
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I get a huge kick out of that smile.gif I've seen guitars like that at shops. Where the "weathering" is under the high gloss finish. hehehehe.

QUOTE (klasaine @ May 8 2014, 11:15 AM) *
Exactly (and you pay extra for that).

One of the things that IMO makes over-relic'd guitars look fake is that the 'scars' are (usually) still wood sealed and lacquered over ... which is totally unrealistic. The other is the generally non-realistic wear patterns.



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post May 9 2014, 08:39 AM
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I'll just go for a normal finish and that's that for me smile.gif Fair and square, I think.

It's a bit silly to pay extra for a thing like that


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post May 11 2014, 04:04 AM
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Especially when it's obviously fake, E.g. the "relic" bits are under two inches of gloss. But again, to each his own, whatever folks wanna play/use/dig etc. is entirely up to them so I save go for it smile.gif

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I'll just go for a normal finish and that's that for me smile.gif Fair and square, I think.

It's a bit silly to pay extra for a thing like that



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