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post Nov 3 2014, 03:52 PM
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Great idea man! It sounds VERY cool.

I have been thinking on your stuff. I notice that both ideas could be part of the same album. Your style is very consistent and that's a great thing. At the same time, I consider that the songs that you suggested to analyze are not close in style to your music, so this can make you feel a bit lost regarding structure and how to develop this ideas. Dream Theater music is different compared to Cloudkicker, Angel Vivladi, Intervals and all those great modern metal bands. So I have three important suggestions:

1- Start a folder with all this ideas that are appearing and make some kind of classification that could include, description as tonality, tempo, vibe or feeling and also if it's an intro, a verse, a bridge, solo or whatever... it will help you to get back to them.

2- Work on songs in parallel. Open each idea every day and try to continue or arrange it a bit. No matter if it evolves just with one new chord, one measure or if you only arranged a bit drums. Everything would mean that the compositions are advancing, and be sure that the inspired day will come for the best ideas...

3- What about analyzing songs that are more related in style to these ones?


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post Nov 3 2014, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 3 2014, 04:52 PM) *
Great idea man! It sounds VERY cool.

I have been thinking on your stuff. I notice that both ideas could be part of the same album. Your style is very consistent and that's a great thing. At the same time, I consider that the songs that you suggested to analyze are not close in style to your music, so this can make you feel a bit lost regarding structure and how to develop this ideas. Dream Theater music is different compared to Cloudkicker, Angel Vivladi, Intervals and all those great modern metal bands. So I have three important suggestions:

1- Start a folder with all this ideas that are appearing and make some kind of classification that could include, description as tonality, tempo, vibe or feeling and also if it's an intro, a verse, a bridge, solo or whatever... it will help you to get back to them.

2- Work on songs in parallel. Open each idea every day and try to continue or arrange it a bit. No matter if it evolves just with one new chord, one measure or if you only arranged a bit drums. Everything would mean that the compositions are advancing, and be sure that the inspired day will come for the best ideas...

3- What about analyzing songs that are more related in style to these ones?


I completely agree with you. I started out wanting to make something similar to Dream Theater, but turns out it's not what I'm doing at all! I like this other modern style more though!

I'm already saving these ideas in a folder smile.gif I don't know how to index them as best as possible yet though, so now it's just "intro idea 1" and "intro idea 2".

I will try and analyze a song from a more modern styled band soon smile.gif


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This sounds great! I would add at least a word that help you to identify the ideas better. This can even be something that is connected to the day you composed it or any situation or thing that makes you remember to the feel of the song. It also works if the idea reminds you to any band or artist...

I'll be waiting for new ideas and your analysis! smile.gif


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I haven't had much time on the guitar yet, or have been able to come up with another part, but I extended the intro a bit and made a video:



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Cool video! This intro is sounding great! There is nothing to fix, just to wait until the inspiration comes again to add a new part to this one.

How is your creation process? When and where do the ideas usually appear?


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I usually just try and sit down with my guitar to come up with something, and I might come up with small ideas, but nothing I really like as such. Then once in a while I hit something I like and keep it!

Back in the day I used to have ideas coming through my head all the time, even when I didn't have a guitar near me, but now it's a bit more sparse, or maybe I'm too picky with the ideas I come up with and don't like them half as much as I used to.

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Does this usually happens at the same place where you practice and jam?


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 4 2014, 07:40 PM) *
Does this usually happens at the same place where you practice and jam?


I usually sit and jam in front of my computer, but sometimes I go to the attic room I have and sit there to have more focus.


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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 4 2014, 03:00 PM) *
I usually sit and jam in front of my computer, but sometimes I go to the attic room I have and sit there to have more focus.



I'm asking because I think that the most creative ideas appear when we are not searching for them. So, sitting at the same place where you usually practice, and trying to make things happen is not the best way to go. Experiment in other parts of the house and even if it's possible going out. If you cannot bring your guitar use your voice and your cellphone to record the ideas.

Most of my most creative melodies and riffs appeared in uncommon places and situations, so it's always important to be ready to record at every moment.



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Hey Gabriel!

How are you?

I need to get back at things again, start recording and practicing properly again!


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Hi Cael! Welcome back to the Army! What are the plans? What have you been doing? Are there new goals?



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No new plans as such yet. I've tuned my 7 string in a bit of a funny tuning: G C G C Eb C D, which is basically an open Cminadd9 chord. It gives some interesting possibilities and sounds. I have come up with a few ideas using this tuning, and I was thinking I'd share them with you. I just need to record them first smile.gif

On another note, I'm looking to buy an old Hamer Californian tonight. It needs some work though and it's pretty cheap, but I'm kinda hoping I can rescue it and that it could become a good guitar. I sometimes miss playing a 6 string, that's why I may want to buy this one - depending on the condition of the guitar.


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Hi mate, that sounds great! Please record this new ideas. It would be cool to have a plan to do something with all the great ideas that you have in progress. Finish the songs, record some youtube videos, or open a bandcamp would be great, don't you think so?

About the guitar, go for it, it's a must to have a 6 strings guitar! biggrin.gif


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I will postpone the recordings of the ideas for tomorrow, as it's getting pretty late now. I've spent the entire evening setting up the new guitar, as it was literally unplayable (the floyd rose bridge was literally just sitting at the lowest it could so all strings were just making no sound), but I've got it playing and it's great to be on a 6 string again for a bit.

I feel like working on my technique a bit with this new (old) guitar. Like working on my alternate picking, sweeps etc.

Tomorrow I will do that as well as record the ideas I have smile.gif


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Cool! Congrats mate! I'll wait for the audios.

About the technique practice, it's not bad idea to dedicate some time to maintain and polish technique. What are you plans? Some GMC lessons, exercises?


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Feb 4 2015, 02:48 PM) *
Cool! Congrats mate! I'll wait for the audios.

About the technique practice, it's not bad idea to dedicate some time to maintain and polish technique. What are you plans? Some GMC lessons, exercises?


I'm thinking some exercises of some sort, but maybe also combined with some GMC lessons. Maybe we can make a plan of some sort? I tend to lack focus at times and especially lose my patience if the lesson is too long or way above my level, so I generally like the shorter lessons, like your very first lesson: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...-picking-etude/

But I also like small exercises like the one Pedja gave me years ago:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&id=18387



Here are 3 small ideas I have. I just recorded them quickly without drums or anything as I haven't come up with drums for them yet, so it's all kinda rough:

Attached File  Idea_1.mp3 ( 527.61K ) Number of downloads: 32


Attached File  Idea_2.mp3 ( 635.17K ) Number of downloads: 55


Attached File  Idea_3.mp3 ( 635.17K ) Number of downloads: 43


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Hi Cael!

I just checked those 3 short ideas and I really liked them! Each one is a top level idea that you should try to continue. It would be interesting to design a plan that covers two goal that I think are part of your plan:

- Polish expand technique and improvisation skills.
- Finish your songs.

What do you think? Am I right about your biggest goals?

About shorter lessons, yeah, I got what you mean and it usually happens to me with full instrumental songs, so the best is to directly work on the sections that you like more, and the same for gmc lessons. Go for the stronger parts, those that inspire you.

I'd like to help you to design a plan. What lessons are you liking nowadays? What techniques and exercises are giving you trouble?



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I agree with those goals smile.gif

As for lessons I like, well, I always like Muris' lessons, and I've been thinking about looking at his legato and picking lessons again.

My main problem is generally all techniques when pushing a certain speed. Like I can do alternate picking 16th notes at about 130bpm with no problem, but pushing above that I start to get problems. I'd also like to work on my tapping (Michael Romeo style!), arpeggios and what not. All things really!

Also, I'm not really sure if my style is classical progressive metal ala Dream Theater and Symphony X or if I want to be more djent and into more modern metal. It kinda varies depending on what guitar I pick up. With this new guitar I have I feel more connected to the classical prog metal.

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Hi Cael.

So let's build a first routine with some Muris lessons, as well as some tapping and arpeggios. Based on what you said, the topics should be Alternate Picking, Legato, Tapping and Arpeggios (Sweep Picking?).

As you said that you had some problems working on long lessons, we don't see these lessons as the whole thing, we will see them as parts. The idea is that you work on 1 part of each lesson each day of the week.

What about these two lessons?

Alternate Picking & Legato:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/legato...cking_advanced/

Tapping:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Sigh-of-Pain/


About your style, consider yourself lucky that those styles are close. Imagine if you would like Indie, Extreme Metal, Alternative and Bosa. laugh.gif

I'll give you a suggestion that has been given to me by my girlfriend. biggrin.gif As you want to compose music in two different styles, create two folders in your "Compositions" section, one called "Djent" and the other called "Classic Progressive". So this won't prevent you from thinking all the time on what style you should do. Do both, the one that feels more inspiring each day, and save the songs and ideas. With the pass of time, this folders will be filled with songs, the one that has more songs, or better songs, is your more natural style. If both are great, release two albums! There are some bands that release double albums and each one has a different "syle" or "vibe". There is a local band that edited a double album, one has songs more connected to Metalcore, while the other is an Alternative Rock/Metal.

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Those two are great lessons, unfortunately I think they're a little above my current level smile.gif But I will consider them and maybe try and work on some of them.

The other day I was working on this piece by Rick Graham:



It's more a tempo I can maybe manage when it comes to tapping, I think, but I can only play and remember the first two measures so far laugh.gif And that's pushing it!

And I'm putting up the "legato and picking - intermediate" lesson in REC soon I think. But taking the step up to the level 9 lesson is quite a frightening jump, and there are some speeds in there that I'm far from able to reach currently! But I'm sure we could work at developing my speed.

Now it sounds like I'm making excuses, I'm just trying to be realistic about it smile.gif

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I've just tried playing some of the lessons, and they're way above my level!

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