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Hemlok
post Jul 11 2007, 12:42 PM
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I am soon to start learning the Violin alongside guitar smile.gif If anyone else on GMC also plays or has played and knows and good online resources for beginners or just has some general tips, would be much appreciated. biggrin.gif

P.S: Has anyone here tried a violin bow on their guitar? If so do you know if it damages the bow at all? Or has an unpleasant happening to your guitar? smile.gif Thanks


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post Jul 11 2007, 01:00 PM
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Well actually you can only hit low and high E with the bow, and it will for sure damage the bow. Violin has strings placed at different heights to be able to hit each string independently.

How old are you? Violin players start at very young age, those who attend music schools for violins and later academies start at the age of 6!


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post Jul 11 2007, 01:09 PM
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My mate tried that in school once - randomly took it out the teacher cupboard when no-one was there and tried to play his les paul with it, all the hair bit comes out the bow if you try to do it Page style, I believe you can put it back in again, but its probably not worth your hassle to try.


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post Jul 11 2007, 01:14 PM
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Bow is not made to play metal strings. You destroy it playing metal strings so don't even try it!

A friend of mine is a professional violin player: she bought a violin worth 15000 euro + 2 bows - each costs 2000 euro.


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post Jul 11 2007, 01:22 PM
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Good enough for me, bow can stay with its intended instrument smile.gif

I am 19, so I have no chance of ever making music on violin because i didn't start at age 6?! I don't understand that.


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post Jul 11 2007, 01:28 PM
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The point is the technique! You will never be able to gain technique as a pro-violin-player has! You're too old to get into professional music with violin!

You will sure be able to play some simple stuff for your own pleasure!

On guitar you can pick the way you like, wrist, fingers, elbow etc. - on violin there are much more strict rules of playing! There is only CORRECT or WRONG way!! Unfortunately, right hand technique is WAAAY more difficult to master than holding a guitar pick! smile.gif Also you must have a perfect pitch to be able to play violin so somebody else can listen to your playing. There are no frets there. It's all done by ear. That's why violinists always start from very young age.


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post Jul 11 2007, 01:30 PM
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Darnit! no matter, its just for fun anyway..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN5Laf48se0

^ Hey there is some hope for me smile.gif If i could one day even play this i would be happy. haha

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post Jul 11 2007, 03:15 PM
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One of my friends plays violin.(he's 35) The amazing thing is, he is an awesome player, but hes been blind since birth!


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post Jul 11 2007, 03:44 PM
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Wow guitarman700! That is great to hear, there are many amazing blind musicians. I was listening to a blues guitarist a while back, cant remember the name, but yeah he was just creating fantastic music.

When did you friend start playing the violin?

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post Jul 11 2007, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Jul 11 2007, 07:30 AM) *
Darnit! no matter, its just for fun anyway..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN5Laf48se0

^ Hey there is some hope for me smile.gif If i could one day even play this i would be happy. haha


if you want to play it for your own personal enjoyment, why not? However, I do suspect that this is something where one might start out, and then just go back to his guitar. But I don't know that, I don't know you. Myself, I suspect that would be the case, were I to do this. But I think guitarists can learn a lot listening to violin.

If you ever watch old videos of Jimmy Page using the bow, you see it is shredded by the end of the song.
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post Jul 11 2007, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Jul 11 2007, 02:28 PM) *
The point is the technique! You will never be able to gain technique as a pro-violin-player has! You're too old to get into professional music with violin!

You will sure be able to play some simple stuff for your own pleasure!

On guitar you can pick the way you like, wrist, fingers, elbow etc. - on violin there are much more strict rules of playing! There is only CORRECT or WRONG way!! Unfortunately, right hand technique is WAAAY more difficult to master than holding a guitar pick! smile.gif Also you must have a perfect pitch to be able to play violin so somebody else can listen to your playing. There are no frets there. It's all done by ear. That's why violinists always start from very young age.


For once, I (somewhat) disagree with you, Pavel. You're right about the technical difficulties, it's insanely more difficult to develop a good tone and technique on a violin than a guitar.

But, why so much discouragement? smile.gif Noone said anything about wanting to be a professional violin player as far as I can see.

It's sure to help development on all other instruments (as long as you don't give up practicing guitar, because you need so much practice on the violin). And as long as you don't expect to play in a concert hall in 5 years (or 20, most likely), you'll be good eventually - no matter if you're 6 or 60 when you start - as long as you practice, practice, practice wink.gif

So, I'd say the no. 1 tip is to be persistent - like guitar, it'll take some time (but again, be prepared for much longer time than guitar) before you can play anything that sounds good.

But when you're at the point where you've developed a nice, somewhat-friendly-to-the-ears tone and accuracy, you can impress a truly musical audience more than most of the 12 year old technical prodigies - because you can use that tone to actually tell them something. That will take the 12 year old probably at least another 6-10 years to "learn" wink.gif

Of course he'll be likely to end up being better technically and musically than you, eventually. But who cares?

Don't give up smile.gif
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post Jul 11 2007, 03:50 PM
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ah its just something i plan on doing when im having rest from practicing guitar, i am sure i will be able to find time to practice both, but i wont be putting violin first, therefor im sure it will take a while to see some progress after the early stage.


@Kaneda: thanks for the post smile.gif i wont give up! i know that with lots of practice i will be able to do what i want to the violin. one day tongue.gif

Secondly Kaneda can i ask what your Avatar picture is? I cant help but stare at it everytime i see it biggrin.gif

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post Jul 11 2007, 03:57 PM
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WOW, Interesting disucssion, I always wanted to learn but opted for the guitar instead! smile.gif


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post Jul 11 2007, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Jul 11 2007, 04:50 PM) *
Secondly Kaneda can i ask what your Avatar picture is? I cant help but stare at it everytime i see it biggrin.gif


It's actually me wink.gif Or rather, a photo of me, brought through some "Anime"-morph utility I found on the web a few years ago - it didn't do a great job, so if you look at it wrong, you'd probably have to be told it's a face before seeing it. Considering replacing it with a handdrawn portrait at some point smile.gif
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post Jul 11 2007, 04:37 PM
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@Kaneda: Ah ok. Nah i like it a lot, its interesting. Hehe but yes i could see the face. You would have be wearing beer goggles to not see the face i think tongue.gif

@mattacuk: Well from reading this discussion you can see it's never too late! If you have the time of course and determination I guess.

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post Jul 11 2007, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (Kaneda @ Jul 11 2007, 10:00 AM) *
It's actually me wink.gif Or rather, a photo of me, brought through some "Anime"-morph utility I found on the web a few years ago - it didn't do a great job, so if you look at it wrong, you'd probably have to be told it's a face before seeing it. Considering replacing it with a handdrawn portrait at some point smile.gif


Well you score points for doing something unusual. I like the hand drawn idea. I also was curious about this avator. But was afraid to ask.
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post Jul 11 2007, 05:05 PM
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Well i am glad i popped the question! smile.gif

Now onto you fkalich! who's angry pussycat? tongue.gif


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post Jul 11 2007, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Jul 11 2007, 06:05 PM) *
Well i am glad i popped the question! smile.gif

Now onto you fkalich! who's angry pussycat? tongue.gif


We need an "explain your avatar and username" thread wink.gif

I have a quickly handdrawn anime portrait of me, which a friend did once upon a time - quite incredible how close about 20 lines can get to portraying a person smile.gif

Before that, I used to have an avatar somewhat similar to fkalich, but found that lots of others had it too - but I still like it (and its title):

http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum/photo...1621&cid=33

Besides, an anime character fits better with my nickname smile.gif

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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Jul 11 2007, 11:05 AM) *
Well i am glad i popped the question! smile.gif

Now onto you fkalich! who's angry pussycat? tongue.gif


well that should have been an animated gif. but the gif was too large, and it got converted to jpeg by the server here. the gif is cool, the cat fires his assault weapon.

I decided to change this now to my actual pets. I will rotate them, dog and 8 cats. Start with my best friend, BoBo.
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Jul 11 2007, 12:02 PM) *
Well you score points for doing something unusual. I like the hand drawn idea. I also was curious about this avator. But was afraid to ask.


Awwwww fkalich ... the dog is cute but I loved the firearm wielding cat smile.gif


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