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Cosmin Lupu
post Apr 12 2014, 10:06 PM
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I was thinking that Facebook is sucking up so much of our time, even if it brings us its benefits smile.gif Let's see now:

- How do you use Facebook and what benefits does it bring you
- What do you hate about it?
- What would you do if from tomorrow on, there wouldn't be any Facebook anymore?


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post Apr 12 2014, 10:46 PM
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It makes 'getting the word out easier' and all the info that's needed to get folks out to gigs.

I actually hate pretty much everything about Face Brag or (Fussbook) as I like to call it. I have thought many times in the last few months about leaving. I've noticed several of my hipper (and younger) muso buddies are leaving it - ?

Call people, send e-mail (if that still exists in your no FB fantasy?), regular mail, flyers in music stores and rehearsal spaces, go to the bars/clubs more. The old fashioned way.
*Personally, for me, hanging out still gets me gigs and gets more people to the gigs. You know, the personal touch. Call me crazy but I believe people actually respond better to that anyway.


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post Apr 12 2014, 11:09 PM
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Ive not used FB for a couple of years. I just dont like it.
then again Im not trying to promote my band or anything so from a personal use only........ if it disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't impact me in any way smile.gif
I waste more time on the internet looking at pictures of LOL cats or guitars that I can't afford so Id probably just keep doing that! rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 13 2014, 01:53 PM
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I use it to stay in touch with a lot of friends from all around the world and to post witty/biting/sarcastic comments on current affairs and Politics in general!!
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 12 2014, 10:46 PM) *
It makes 'getting the word out easier' and all the info that's needed to get folks out to gigs.

I actually hate pretty much everything about Face Brag or (Fussbook) as I like to call it. I have thought many times in the last few months about leaving. I've noticed several of my hipper (and younger) muso buddies are leaving it - ?

Call people, send e-mail (if that still exists in your no FB fantasy?), regular mail, flyers in music stores and rehearsal spaces, go to the bars/clubs more. The old fashioned way.
*Personally, for me, hanging out still gets me gigs and gets more people to the gigs. You know, the personal touch. Call me crazy but I believe people actually respond better to that anyway.

big time agreement here
Everything about your social lives ,gets twisted ,distorted or ends up offending someone that thought they should have known something before this other person did, you have to friend someone, you have to unfriend them , why did I get unfriended.Tried to use it to keep family up to date , just became a mess. Canceled Facebook years ago.There are sometimes when I would like to see some of the music stuff, but just dont want to sign in
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post Apr 13 2014, 06:05 PM
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I also use it to stay in touch with people and mostly to promote my musical related activities - now, for the bands that haven't caught the times before Facebook, it would be a hell of a lot more difficult to adapt I think smile.gif

One thing I HATE is when I don't know in what way, my wall gets spammed with videos I don't wanna watch - animal cruelty for instance. I am aware of this phenomenon and I would frankly turn myself into an animal if I would get my hands on such poor excuses for human beings that are doing such things, but to see these things all the time - NO thanks..

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post Apr 13 2014, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Apr 13 2014, 10:05 AM) *
One thing I HATE is when I don't know in what way, my wall gets spammed with videos I don't wanna watch


You can set it so you have to approve anything added to your wall from others. I do that. Nobody but me can post on my wall.


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post Apr 13 2014, 06:31 PM
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Great topic! If facebook wouldn't exist tomorrow, my band would loose the best place to communicate news to our followers. We use a lot to promote gigs, videos, new songs, projects and everything related with the band.

Personally is also good to auto promotion and to be in contact with friends.

The bad things is when you let it make you waste too much of your time. That's the worst part, that we have control if we give use to this social network.



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post Apr 13 2014, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 13 2014, 10:31 AM) *
Great topic! If facebook wouldn't exist tomorrow, my band would loose the best place to communicate news to our followers. We use a lot to promote gigs, videos, new songs, projects and everything related with the band.


I respectfully disagree. If FB was gone tomorrow, remember, it would be gone for everybody.
You'd promote Cirse the same way folks have been doing it for literally hundreds of years. Put up handbills, tell people, mail a card, hangout, etc.
You guys are good with promotion. It probably would only consume the same amount of time you guys spend collectively on FB.

But you ask, "what about when we're going to play out of our home town?".
1) someone in the band probably knows somebody in whatever town you're going to.
2) the club/venue you'd play would advertise and even get a radio announcement. Remember - no social media so they don't expect you to bring the people ... and they don't want to lose money.

I think FB/Twitter/etc. is fine for promoting gigs and the info surrounding the gigs but it's really no different than it was before.


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post Apr 13 2014, 07:32 PM
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If Facebook was gone tomorrow, another social network would simply take over...

- How do you use Facebook and what benefits does it bring you?

I use to use it as a socialising means for a large group of friends. However it provided the opposite, nothing was personal or meaningful, quite a few strangers would simply add you, and interact became for a state of how many so-called friends you got on your profile. Spamming rubbish annoying game requests, etc. Wasting away time in a meaningless void of self-destruction is it's main benefit - Farmville anyone?



- What do you hate about it?

Facebook was nicknamed "Project Dataminer" - with the main purpose of gathering peoples personal details and information. This details can then be sold on and used by the government, advertisers, etc. People post all sorts of information on there and no one reads the small print on the signup page, it's a quite smart way to get information. It got to the point where they where going to be shutdown, but since so many people used it and didn't care, it was up to them and merely warned about.

You see it was considered unmoral for 'murica to microchip babies and track/monitor them throughout their lifes - though they even consider this a requirement to get jobs at one point in time, it was deemed as not allowed to be forced upon people. Facebook timeline is the next best thing to do this for them. Everything you post, like, etc, is recorded. If you delete something, it just hides it from you, but is still there years later. Pictures you upload and tagged are monitored and they use Photo DNA to scan them. Photo DNA can work out faces, etc, and match them with others to a mass database, then age them, etc. It doesn't matter if you have modified the image, resized or cropped it, or even changed the colours, etc. You provide everything, your activities for the days, your so-called 'likes', and pretty much your entire life to the point they know more about you than even you do.

They can use all this details for hopefully "good", such as they use it on the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children and to disrupt the proliferation of online child exploitation. The CIA even paid to own a small part of facebook and has full access to it. They mostly use it for their recruitment, but also tracking and finding missing people, children, finding terrorists and criminals, etc. Suicude/Murder/Confession notes left on Facebook are also considered strongly and sometimes helped. It's even been used to stop mass gate crasher plans. Employer can use it to check out the real personality of people before they employ them, etc.

However, this goes one step more. If they have access to all of that, so does everyone else, consider it zero privacy and available to anyone who cares to look. A person simply needs to create a small crappy facebook app and request permissions once in it's entire lifespan, 99% will click okay to without even reading what it's looking up - your entire profile, personal details, photo collection, etc - all can be viewed and stolen via that single app even if your not online or using it. Facebook applications gain access to all this data (which at least 90% attempt to do, in some cases it's the sole purpose of that rubbish small app).

Try this, click that 'like' button on some rubbish, but as a pattern - such as all celebrates wearing a cap. You will notice over time they adjust and all start to copy the same behaviour, what's actually happen is they sold on those details and adjust what you view to your own liking. Advertising boxes will change to what it considers you 'like', even if you simply randomly click 'like' on any and everything. It updates almost your entire page with related posts, etc, all personalised to what it believes you 'like', which could be entirely off if you don't follow any set pattern behaviour. Then those 'likes' are even shared with your friends, family, and random strangers.

Enjoy $20 million of pay offs to keep your privacy invaded -> http://mashable.com/2013/01/03/facebook-settlement-email/
That's an entire $10 per person for anyone that complained enough about it!

All of this is considered highly unmoral, privacy options are but a joke, but hey that's paranoid America for ya! You signed up to it willing and signed your life to them. Maybe next time be careful what you post in case your boss sees you enjoying a party during the weekend.

- What would you do if from tomorrow on, there wouldn't be any Facebook anymore?

Celebrate? Nah, probably just the same as I always do and ignore it. Nothing much would have changed and privacy/security is still a joke elsewhere anyways too.

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post Apr 14 2014, 12:01 PM
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In respect to security and data privacy... I honestly think that the only way in which you can keep yourself FULLY secure nowadays, is to live in a forest or on a mountain, without ANY contact to the internet or modern day facilities such as banking and so on. Basically, everyone is trying to get their hands on your data.

I find myself being called by all sorts of companies trying to sell something or to get me into using a certain service. That drives me completely insane. HOW dare you try to approach me this way? Have I given you a permission? No, I don't remember I have.

Ken is right tho, in respect to band promo, everyone else would be back at the primary state, in which the internet had less social impact as it has now. But this is why you should create a mailing list for your fans smile.gif Email will never die, out of what I can forsee.


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post Apr 14 2014, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 13 2014, 02:47 PM) *
I respectfully disagree. If FB was gone tomorrow, remember, it would be gone for everybody.
You'd promote Cirse the same way folks have been doing it for literally hundreds of years. Put up handbills, tell people, mail a card, hangout, etc.
You guys are good with promotion. It probably would only consume the same amount of time you guys spend collectively on FB.

But you ask, "what about when we're going to play out of our home town?".
1) someone in the band probably knows somebody in whatever town you're going to.
2) the club/venue you'd play would advertise and even get a radio announcement. Remember - no social media so they don't expect you to bring the people ... and they don't want to lose money.

I think FB/Twitter/etc. is fine for promoting gigs and the info surrounding the gigs but it's really no different than it was before.



Trust me. I have been playing in professional bands since 1999, first Damnation, and since 2003 with Cirse and things changed drastically since we have facebook. So I worked with my bands after and before Facebook and other social networks. Things started to change when fotolog appeared but as soon as we learnt how to use facebook the band started to grow every year.

What's the difference? We could reach lots of music fans for free. Reaching a magazine audience, radio audience is usually something that you have to pay for here. Everything became cheaper and this I helped us to grow in popularity and this makes us survive as a band.

If facebook disappears tomorrow, we would obviously search for new possibilities but that's why I said that we would lose the best place to promote our band.


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post Apr 15 2014, 12:18 AM
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WHAT IF FACEBOOK DOESN"T GO AWAY FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS?




Odds are it will go away eventually but certainly that's a few years away. Given the fact that, per graphic posted earlier, more people spend more time on facebook than all other social media combined, the more relevant question is,


....WHAT ARE YOU NOT DOING THAT YOU COULD BE DOING TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT YOUR MUSIC/BAND VIA FACEOOK?....


It's a sad but necessary evil and just a fact of modern life being a musicia/artist/writer/etc. that you need to connect with folks via social media, especially if you are not quite Kirk Hammett, just yet.

So given all the info shared, what could we be doing, that we are not doing, to leverage facebook and other social media in a way that doesn't suck up all our time, but does get the word out about our music, etc. to a wide audiene?


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Became bullet proof after (politically) faced restricted access to twitter, youtube, soundcloud etc. smile.gif

For the average guy here facebook is a huge deal. Like, older people don't know internet but knows facebook as if the entire web is based on it smile.gif

For music, personally I like youtube more than facebook. Suggestions there are not bad while watching a video, just a few clicks and probably I'll find a prog.rock awesome band I never heard before smile.gif

What I dislike most is overall picture sharing in facebook. Animal cruelty is one but people share pic.s as if they're adored movie stars tongue.gif


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post Apr 15 2014, 06:55 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 14 2014, 11:18 PM) *
WHAT IF FACEBOOK DOESN"T GO AWAY FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS?




Odds are it will go away eventually but certainly that's a few years away. Given the fact that, per graphic posted earlier, more people spend more time on facebook than all other social media combined, the more relevant question is,


....WHAT ARE YOU NOT DOING THAT YOU COULD BE DOING TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT YOUR MUSIC/BAND VIA FACEOOK?....


It's a sad but necessary evil and just a fact of modern life being a musicia/artist/writer/etc. that you need to connect with folks via social media, especially if you are not quite Kirk Hammett, just yet.

So given all the info shared, what could we be doing, that we are not doing, to leverage facebook and other social media in a way that doesn't suck up all our time, but does get the word out about our music, etc. to a wide audiene?



Todd is right smile.gif We need to be smart and understand the principles behind social networks so that we may use them to the best extent without wasting our time.

My question was meant to bring out creative ideas that people would have if we would ever face the situation in which we couldn't use Facebook, but in the mean time, the best thing to do (in my opinion) would be the following:

If you have a band, think up an editorial calendar - an Excel spreadsheet in which you can think all of the important things that will happen in a particular month let's say, around your band and schedule the posts if you can - it is ideal to bring something new to the table everyday, but maybe you don't have that much to say and you don't want to be bothering your audience wink.gif

So, maybe a relevant post, each 2-3 days would be cool - if you have a lot of activity in real life, that is awesome and you really have stuff to post about - go ahead with that smile.gif

The main idea is not to get sucked up into the black hole that Facebook can be, wasting your time and killing neurons smile.gif Plan ahead, schedule posts and one/ twice a week answer PMs or possible comments to the stuff you post. You should spend as little time online as possible and use your time to live in the real life - practice, learn, go outside, exercise and MEET people smile.gif Your life will be greatly improved!


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post Apr 15 2014, 11:47 PM
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Kinda wordy but interesting and worth thinking about nonetheless.





I'm assuming there are ways to circumvent the BS although probably time consuming.
As I mentioned in either this thread or one of the other FB threads I'm noticing a lot of bands and musicians (out here) have started to ditch FB completely. I have no idea what they're going to but they're also a lot younger, cooler and social media savvy than I am.

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post Apr 16 2014, 04:19 AM
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Same here smile.gif You can have a degree of control of what gets posted so yeah you don't have to get the endless "save the whales" and such posts smile.gif

QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 13 2014, 01:26 PM) *
You can set it so you have to approve anything added to your wall from others. I do that. Nobody but me can post on my wall.



Egad!!! Respectfully, the footwork and time involved in doing things "the old way" is not really comparable imho in terms of time/effort/expense.


Sure, we could go back to printing flyers and and all that, but I remember all that and I gotta say, facebook makes it soooo much simpler to connect directly to fans locally and from all over the world. It's a real blessing to be honest despite all of it's warts, lame privacy policy, lame pay to play posts, zombie like, etc. It's still the quickest and simplest way to connect with folks all over the world with a couple of clicks.



QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 13 2014, 01:47 PM) *
I respectfully disagree. If FB was gone tomorrow, remember, it would be gone for everybody.
You'd.
I think FB/Twitter/etc. is fine for promoting gigs and the info surrounding the gigs but it's really no different than it was before.



THE BIG SECRET SAUCE

The EASY WAY to do this is to use HOOTSUITE.com!!!! smile.gif You can plan all your posts for an entire month and prep them to go. Then schedule when they will go out!! That way your feed gets updates all the time and you only have to mess with it once a month on hootsuite to make the posts and schedule them smile.gif Bingo!!!



QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Apr 15 2014, 01:55 AM) *
Todd is right smile.gif We need to be smart and understand the principles behind social networks so that we may use them to the best extent without wasting our time.

My question was meant to bring out creative ideas that people would have if we would ever face the situation in which we couldn't use Facebook, but in the mean time, the best thing to do (in my opinion) would be the following:

If you have a band, think up an editorial calendar - an Excel spreadsheet in which you can think all of the important things that will happen in a particular month let's say, around your band and schedule the posts if you can - it is ideal to bring something new to the table everyday, but maybe you don't have that much to say and you don't want to be bothering your audience wink.gif

So, maybe a relevant post, each 2-3 days would be cool - if you have a lot of activity in real life, that is awesome and you really have stuff to post about - go ahead with that smile.gif

The main idea is not to get sucked up into the black hole that Facebook can be, wasting your time and killing neurons smile.gif Plan ahead, schedule posts and one/ twice a week answer PMs or possible comments to the stuff you post. You should spend as little time online as possible and use your time to live in the real life - practice, learn, go outside, exercise and MEET people smile.gif Your life will be greatly improved!


YUP!!!! Pure pay to play and the system is screwing actual people trying to promote actual stuff, like their music!! Sadly, per the previous chart, people still spend more time on facebook than any other social media network. So not having it as part of an overall social media strategy is, IMHO, a big mistake. Yea, it's just LAME, facebook sorta sucks, but it's got the eyeballs and it's the 900 pound gorilla as of now. It's going to get replaced within the next five years IMHO as it's model is driving people away quicker than they are signing up. But until it does, if you wanna promote your music, you gotta pay the piper.





QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 15 2014, 06:47 PM) *
Kinda wordy but interesting and worth thinking about nonetheless.





I'm assuming there are ways to circumvent the BS although probably time consuming.
As I mentioned in either this thread or one of the other FB threads I'm noticing a lot of bands and musicians (out here) have started to ditch FB completely. I have no idea what they're going to but they're also a lot younger, cooler and social media savvy than I am.



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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 15 2014, 08:13 PM) *
Egad!!! Respectfully, the footwork and time involved in doing things "the old way" is not really comparable imho in terms of time/effort/expense.


Sure, we could go back to printing flyers and and all that, but I remember all that and I gotta say, facebook makes it soooo much simpler to connect directly to fans locally and from all over the world. It's a real blessing to be honest despite all of it's warts, lame privacy policy, lame pay to play posts, zombie like, etc. It's still the quickest and simplest way to connect with folks all over the world with a couple of clicks.


Yeah, but part of Cosmin's hypothetical was 'what if facebook ceased to exist tomorrow?'

What if the internet in general gets cost prohibitive in the form of a tax and/or regulation?
What if all social media becomes illegal due to a fanatical govt. directive or some fanatical privacy legislation?
What if it becomes so impossible to use due to the total saturation of ads, spam and cat photos?
What if ... ?





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post Apr 16 2014, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 16 2014, 03:24 AM) *
Yeah, but part of Cosmin's hypothetical was 'what if facebook ceased to exist tomorrow?'

What if the internet in general gets cost prohibitive in the form of a tax and/or regulation?
What if all social media becomes illegal due to a fanatical govt. directive or some fanatical privacy legislation?
What if it becomes so impossible to use due to the total saturation of ads, spam and cat photos?
What if ... ?


Thanks for the secret sauce Todd biggrin.gif being able to program stuff - even with a week ahead - could save a ton of time smile.gif Ken's observation on the other hand, was very good - I was imagining the end of the road that we are actually slowly walking on. The governments will try to seize control over the internet - you have noticed how many riots have already started and the tense events that have sprinkled the landscape of the last few years, in respect to this idea.



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