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Todd Simpson
post May 8 2014, 03:36 PM
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I've been going through every amp on my 11R and keep returning to the MARK IIC+. For rythm and lead, it's just freaking brilliant. Having VERY limited experience with actual tube amps (what can I say, I"m a plugin/modeler type of guy) I wanted to ask if you guys had tried a real MARK IIC+ and if so what were your impressions?

The gain response in the modeled version is just splendid. Very tight, very quick, wads of gain. Has made me curious about trying a real one to be honest. After looking in to it, these amps are evidently quite coveted (Petrucci used to use them before switching to the modeled IIC+ on the AXE FX, not to mention the Lamb of God guys) and sell for twice the original price.

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post May 8 2014, 09:04 PM
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Anybody with a MESA MARK IIC+?

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I've been going through every amp on my 11R and keep returning to the MARK IIC+. For rythm and lead, it's just freaking brilliant. Having VERY limited experience with actual tube amps (what can I say, I"m a plugin/modeler type of guy) I wanted to ask if you guys had tried a real MARK IIC+ and if so what were your impressions?

The gain response in the modeled version is just splendid. Very tight, very quick, wads of gain. Has made me curious about trying a real one to be honest. After looking in to it, these amps are evidently quite coveted (Petrucci used to use them before switching to the modeled IIC+ on the AXE FX, not to mention the Lamb of God guys) and sell for twice the original price.

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post May 8 2014, 10:50 PM
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I never had a mk.IIc.
I did have a mk.1 and I still have a Studio Caliber .22. Great, great amplifiers. Superb lead tone (when you can turn them up - they are LOUD!). No fizz what-so-ever and very present.

*Now I wanna find a Mark II C. (Todd the pusher man wink.gif )


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post May 8 2014, 11:19 PM
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I've played a few Mark Series Mesa's. I am not as intimately familiar with them as I am with others.

But here's what I know.

  • You're going to have to hunt to find one, then you are going to pay a pretty good amount to get it.
  • If you're looking to buy one, make sure it has the EQ section. Really does bring a whole new life to it.
  • All the Mark Series amps are WAAAAYYYY better than the rectifier series. I know everyone had a Rectifier in the late 90's/early 2000's, but there are better amps. (plus I jut got tired of seeing dudes in small clubs with a trip rec with the gain to 10 and the could only turn the master to 2). During the II series they started working out some bugs that really made them great(mostly small things with the FX loops and footswitch I believe). I think the III, IV or V would be a great amp to hunt down as well.
  • And as mentioned LOUD! (and I think they were pretty heavy to pick up as well)


But those old Mesa's are respectable amps for sure.


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post May 8 2014, 11:27 PM
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Guilty as charged smile.gif I actually want a MARK IIC+ as well now smile.gif After researching it, wads of folks who have amazing tone swear by this amp. It's not a RECTO but it's not meant to be. The lead channel is just plain killer. I"m using it on every patch I've built so far in 11 Rack. If the emulation is anything like the real thing I'm already in love smile.gif


As you mention, ZERO FIZZ. Which is what I love sooo much about it. The 11R emulations are supposed to be pretty accurate and if that's the case I"m already sold.

QUOTE (klasaine @ May 8 2014, 05:50 PM) *
I never had a mk.IIc.
I did have a mk.1 and I still have a Studio Caliber .22. Great, great amplifiers. Superb lead tone (when you can turn them up - they are LOUD!). No fizz what-so-ever and very present.

*Now I wanna find a Mark II C. (Todd the pusher man wink.gif )



You nailed it!! I checked and getting one in good shape goes U.S> $ 2,000-3,000!!!! Good lord!! Just for the head!!!

QUOTE (SeeJay @ May 8 2014, 06:19 PM) *
I've played a few Mark Series Mesa's. I am not as intimately familiar with them as I am with others.

But here's what I know.

  • You're going to have to hunt to find one, then you are going to pay a pretty good amount to get it.
  • If you're looking to buy one, make sure it has the EQ section. Really does bring a whole new life to it.
  • All the Mark Series amps are WAAAAYYYY better than the rectifier series. I know everyone had a Rectifier in the late 90's/early 2000's, but there are better amps. (plus I jut got tired of seeing dudes in small clubs with a trip rec with the gain to 10 and the could only turn the master to 2). During the II series they started working out some bugs that really made them great(mostly small things with the FX loops and footswitch I believe). I think the III, IV or V would be a great amp to hunt down as well.
  • And as mentioned LOUD! (and I think they were pretty heavy to pick up as well)


But those old Mesa's are respectable amps for sure.



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post May 8 2014, 11:54 PM
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Well, get it! And then next time I'm in ATL lemme borrow it.

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 8 2014, 10:27 PM) *
You nailed it!! I checked and getting one in good shape goes U.S> $ 2,000-3,000!!!! Good lord!! Just for the head!!!



When I was a kid there was a great used shop in Stone Mountain, GA that had an old Mesa Mark series that no one was interested in. Sat there forever. I remember thinking it was weird with the EQ section. I think it sold for about $800.

If I had only known. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


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post May 9 2014, 12:16 AM
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Small World!! That shop in Stone Mountain, was it called DIRT CHEEP MUSIC?

Now and then I see an old Mesa in a pawn shop or something but I"m usually afraid to go that route as the unit may need work. I'd need one that was in pretty good shape as I'm not an "amp guy" really. I would like one of the rack mount versions for sure!!!

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QUOTE (SeeJay @ May 8 2014, 06:54 PM) *
Well, get it! And then next time I'm in ATL lemme borrow it.

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When I was a kid there was a great used shop in Stone Mountain, GA that had an old Mesa Mark series that no one was interested in. Sat there forever. I remember thinking it was weird with the EQ section. I think it sold for about $800.

If I had only known. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


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post May 9 2014, 12:38 AM
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Who cares if it needs work. If it's at a shop that they don't know what they got and are selling cheap, probably worth picking up.

No it was called Saturn Music or something. Jupiter something . . . .Something spacey. Not Mars.

There's a chain in the building it used to be in. Can't think of what that chain is either.

Geez, my memory is selective. Can't tell you about my home town, but could tell you each year Zeppelin released an album. wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 8 2014, 11:16 PM) *
Small World!! That shop in Stone Mountain, was it called DIRT CHEEP MUSIC?

Now and then I see an old Mesa in a pawn shop or something but I"m usually afraid to go that route as the unit may need work. I'd need one that was in pretty good shape as I'm not an "amp guy" really. I would like one of the rack mount versions for sure!!!

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post May 9 2014, 12:41 AM
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There is a MkIIC+ mode on my MkV, but I've never actually played the actual thing. However, a friend of mine who owned one of the holy grail IIC+ iterations with all correct bells and whistles played the MkIIC+ mode on the MkV and said that it was as good, if not better than his amp ever sounded.

That said, I'm not really that into the super dry gain tone that it's famous for. On the MkV I usually end up on the Extreme gain mode instead.


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post May 9 2014, 01:37 AM
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None of the Mk series have the 'fizzy' high end in the overdrive. *My .22 (low pwr mk.1) absolutely screams.
Remember, the mk series are the amps that Santana was one of the first to use (after he had one of the super modded princetons). Love him or hate, his OD tone is definitely FAT not fizz.

*They were birthed from super hot-rodding Vibro Champs and Princetons with bigger transformers, conversion to 6l6 tubes, using/converting the verb and trem sections of those amps to be cascaded pre-amp gain sections and then usually adding a mid boost and 12" EV speaker.
http://www.mesaboogie.com/US/Smith/our_story.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=first+mesa+...440&bih=702

I believe this may be #1 (?)
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post May 9 2014, 02:15 AM
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Now that you mention it, I have come across many folks saying that same thing. Even petrucci himself. Evidently the MKV does a great job of sounding as good as if not better than the MKIIC+ but adds some additional tones not found on the IIC+.

Also, it seems like the MKV might be a bit easier to get hold of as the MKII gets more and more rare and more and more expensive each year.

Has your MKV given you any trouble?

QUOTE (SixStringSamurai @ May 8 2014, 07:41 PM) *
There is a MkIIC+ mode on my MkV, but I've never actually played the actual thing. However, a friend of mine who owned one of the holy grail IIC+ iterations with all correct bells and whistles played the MkIIC+ mode on the MkV and said that it was as good, if not better than his amp ever sounded.

That said, I'm not really that into the super dry gain tone that it's famous for. On the MkV I usually end up on the Extreme gain mode instead.



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post May 9 2014, 02:23 AM
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Nah, I've never had any issues with any Mesa gear that I've owned. Bulletproof, in my experience.


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It even looks likes the same knob spacing!!! I am a bit shocked that the monster mesa is based on a fender champ? Who would have thought? I thought it was an original creation but the deeper I look in to it, it seems many monster amps started life as something else.

The BOGNER high gain amps evidently started life as hot rodded versions of other amps that bogner used to work on. I guess it does make sense. It's often easier to mod something than build it from scratch!! The HENESY VENOM comes to mind smile.gif It's actually a HEAVILY modified LOTUS EXIGE!!!! So not technically a "production" vehicle. Don't know how I switched on to cars. hmm.

Venom ($1,000,000 yup one million)
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QUOTE (klasaine @ May 8 2014, 08:37 PM) *
None of the Mk series have the 'fizzy' high end in the overdrive. *My .22 (low pwr mk.1) absolutely screams.
Remember, the mk series are the amps that Santana was one of the first to use (after he had one of the super modded princetons). Love him or hate, his OD tone is definitely FAT not fizz.

*They were birthed from super hot-rodding Vibro Champs and Princetons with bigger transformers, conversion to 6l6 tubes, using/converting the verb and trem sections of those amps to be cascaded pre-amp gain sections and then usually adding a mid boost and 12" EV speaker.
http://www.mesaboogie.com/US/Smith/our_story.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=first+mesa+...440&bih=702

I believe this may be #1 (?)
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Good point smile.gif There are plenty of shops in town that could fix it up I"m sure.

QUOTE (SeeJay @ May 8 2014, 07:38 PM) *
Who cares if it needs work. If it's at a shop that they don't know what they got and are selling cheap, probably worth picking up.

No it was called Saturn Music or something. Jupiter something . . . .Something spacey. Not Mars.

There's a chain in the building it used to be in. Can't think of what that chain is either.

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Everything came from Fender. The Marshall JTM was also based on a Bassman.


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 8 2014, 06:27 PM) *
It even looks likes the same knob spacing!!! I am a bit shocked that the monster mesa is based on a fender champ? Who would have thought? I thought it was an original creation but the deeper I look in to it, it seems many monster amps started life as something else.


Guitar amps are relatively simple things and they're all 'basically' the same - even today.

The really cool thing that Randall Smith (Mr. Mesa) came up with was how to add gain stages to the pre-amp section and then also control those new pre-amp gain stages via separate volume controls. Basically having multiple master volumes.

At this point though a Boogie mk.V looks NOTHING like a vibro champ laugh.gif


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what do ya know, a Mesa Mark II C+ combo just popped up in my area.

MUST

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God Bless Mr Mesa!!! smile.gif And thank goodness for multiple gain stages!!! smile.gif

Also, thanks to you amp guys for all the info!!!


QUOTE (klasaine @ May 9 2014, 10:51 AM) *
Guitar amps are relatively simple things and they're all 'basically' the same - even today.

The really cool thing that Randall Smith (Mr. Mesa) came up with was how to add gain stages to the pre-amp section and then also control those new pre-amp gain stages via separate volume controls. Basically having multiple master volumes.

At this point though a Boogie mk.V looks NOTHING like a vibro champ laugh.gif



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Now a Mark V popped up on CL.

You guys are making me antsy. . .


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post May 11 2014, 08:34 AM
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IMO any of the mk. series is going to be a great amp.

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What about newer Mesa's? What are you guys into?


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