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Cosmin Lupu
post May 14 2014, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 13 2014, 12:40 PM) *
You made me remember those days when I was back from school and used to dedicate the whole day to just play. I used to work on exercises, but most of the time just playing alone, and along with music, my favorite albums, over radio songs, and what ever it sounded. Even if somebody was watching TV, I used to learn melodies and everything that sounded there by ear. smile.gif

It's awesome the connection that you get with your instruments thanks to that, I also could train my ear a lot thanks to be al day learning whatever sounded in my home with the guitar.


Training you ears was exactly the thing I was thinking about when reading your post, Gabi smile.gif I think that this is the best ear training one could get, alongside with consciously imitating various sounds around you! I also had a thing for imitating voices and now I realized how much that has helped my ears smile.gif


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post May 14 2014, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 14 2014, 04:18 AM) *
Training you ears was exactly the thing I was thinking about when reading your post, Gabi smile.gif I think that this is the best ear training one could get, alongside with consciously imitating various sounds around you! I also had a thing for imitating voices and now I realized how much that has helped my ears smile.gif



yes, this is something very valuable. I used to do it just because I found it fun but it has been a very important training. I wonder if anybody else trained their ears in this way... and if not, what do you use for ear training?


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post May 14 2014, 10:06 PM
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someone linked this. Im gonna bump it. A lot of good stuff in here.


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post May 15 2014, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 14 2014, 05:28 PM) *
yes, this is something very valuable. I used to do it just because I found it fun but it has been a very important training. I wonder if anybody else trained their ears in this way... and if not, what do you use for ear training?


Another thing I did, that helped me a lot, was to dub cartoon voices in a studio for about 2 years biggrin.gif Amazing experience and the fun factor... We used to work 30 minutes and than inevitably laugh for another 30 minutes laugh.gif


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post May 15 2014, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 15 2014, 04:52 AM) *
Another thing I did, that helped me a lot, was to dub cartoon voices in a studio for about 2 years biggrin.gif Amazing experience and the fun factor... We used to work 30 minutes and than inevitably laugh for another 30 minutes laugh.gif


hahaha that's a very cool job! and it's surely a good way to train your ears off course. biggrin.gif

This makes me think that there must be some no music related activities that can be helpful for ear training.... dubbing cartoon voices can be one.. do you know any other?


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post May 15 2014, 09:42 PM
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I read the article you linked in yesterday's chat and it had some great insights. I had always subscribed to the learning in short bursts method, but what I had read long ago was 15 minutes, then take a short 2 minute break doing something *completely* different, then resume for another 15 minutes. Resuming is what grilled it into your mind that what you were doing would be revisited, so more likely you will retain it faster. Studies then seemed to show it was more effective.

I wasn't expecting the article to recommend only 3 minutes at a time! I kindof think progress will always be subtle and difficult to ascertain compared to other similar methods, but I don't see why 3 minutes spent on a particular lick would be a bad thing. That's about my attention span anyways, before I go to a different lick.

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post May 16 2014, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 15 2014, 02:50 PM) *
hahaha that's a very cool job! and it's surely a good way to train your ears off course. biggrin.gif

This makes me think that there must be some no music related activities that can be helpful for ear training.... dubbing cartoon voices can be one.. do you know any other?


I always found that associating sounds from all around us with various intervals, really helps us remember them well - for me, the perfect 5th sounds like a trumpet announcing the arrival of a medieval ruler in a castle, for instance. Have you guys thought of such associations?


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post May 16 2014, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ May 15 2014, 05:42 PM) *
I read the article you linked in yesterday's chat and it had some great insights. I had always subscribed to the learning in short bursts method, but what I had read long ago was 15 minutes, then take a short 2 minute break doing something *completely* different, then resume for another 15 minutes. Resuming is what grilled it into your mind that what you were doing would be revisited, so more likely you will retain it faster. Studies then seemed to show it was more effective.

I wasn't expecting the article to recommend only 3 minutes at a time! I kindof think progress will always be subtle and difficult to ascertain compared to other similar methods, but I don't see why 3 minutes spent on a particular lick would be a bad thing. That's about my attention span anyways, before I go to a different lick.

Great article.
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yeah, it's a very good article, and I'm already applying a bit that concept in my Vchat sessions. It really makes sense.

Let's say thanks to Hexabuzz for posting the article here!


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I always found that associating sounds from all around us with various intervals, really helps us remember them well - for me, the perfect 5th sounds like a trumpet announcing the arrival of a medieval ruler in a castle, for instance. Have you guys thought of such associations?



yeah! this is the easier way to remember the different intervals. I used to relate the perfect 5th to the beginning of Superman's song.

any other example of this? biggrin.gif


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post May 17 2014, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 16 2014, 08:35 PM) *
yeah, it's a very good article, and I'm already applying a bit that concept in my Vchat sessions. It really makes sense.

Let's say thanks to Hexabuzz for posting the article here!





yeah! this is the easier way to remember the different intervals. I used to relate the perfect 5th to the beginning of Superman's song.

any other example of this? biggrin.gif


The major 7th biggrin.gif I think about the beginning in a Smashing Pumpkins song, called '1979'



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post May 17 2014, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 17 2014, 03:55 AM) *
The major 7th biggrin.gif I think about the beginning in a Smashing Pumpkins song, called '1979'




heheh good one. It's also a good way to remember a semitone.

who uses other sounds to identify intervals?


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post May 18 2014, 10:51 AM
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The second/ninth, makes me think about the sea - here's a nice 9th chords based tune that everyone enjoys:



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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 18 2014, 06:51 AM) *
The second/ninth, makes me think about the sea - here's a nice 9th chords based tune that everyone enjoys:



I love how ninth chords sound, they sound very opened, that's what I feel when I heard them. I think that if you know how to play a song and how to sing the roots, you can use this to identify intervals.

here we have a perfect 4th:





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post May 19 2014, 10:54 PM
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Who can tell the first two intervals in the main theme - 0:27 - 0:28? biggrin.gif



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I could... but I'll give some time to anybody else... biggrin.gif


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post May 20 2014, 07:49 AM
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Of course, let's not ruin it biggrin.gif


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Come on guys, it's easy!


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post May 21 2014, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 20 2014, 04:30 PM) *
Come on guys, it's easy!


Nobody likes ear training at GMC? tongue.gif


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post May 21 2014, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 21 2014, 06:55 AM) *
Nobody likes ear training at GMC? tongue.gif

I do, it's fun. cool.gif But I've got musical education where we trained this so it's easy for me too. tongue.gif

That was ages ago though and I got a bit rusty, but still think I got it right:
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It's very interesting to read that you guys also associate melody with intervals, that's exactly what I was doing back then in school and guessing intervals was never easier. laugh.gif

I could recognise easily 2nds and 7ths (and primas/octavas), and I even remember which tunes I had for the rest:
minor 3rd - funeral march
major 3rd - national hymn
pure 4th - oh my darling clementine
pure 5th - 2nd interval in national hymn, and of course trumpets biggrin.gif
minor 6th - love story
major 6th - some classical piece, don't remember who/what but still know the tune and can recognise this interval laugh.gif

Curious how musical memory can stay unchanged for decades.. huh.gif


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QUOTE (Sunny @ May 21 2014, 04:26 AM) *
I do, it's fun. cool.gif But I've got musical education where we trained this so it's easy for me too. tongue.gif

That was ages ago though and I got a bit rusty, but still think I got it right:
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major third - pure fourth


It's very interesting to read that you guys also associate melody with intervals, that's exactly what I was doing back then in school and guessing intervals was never easier. laugh.gif

I could recognise easily 2nds and 7ths (and primas/octavas), and I even remember which tunes I had for the rest:
minor 3rd - funeral march
major 3rd - national hymn
pure 4th - oh my darling clementine
pure 5th - 2nd interval in national hymn, and of course trumpets biggrin.gif
minor 6th - love story
major 6th - some classical piece, don't remember who/what but still know the tune and can recognise this interval laugh.gif

Curious how musical memory can stay unchanged for decades.. huh.gif



That's a great list... are you talking about Sweden Hymn? I think that I've never heard it, do you have a link?

about the answer... let's see if we have any other GMCer that want to answer, if not, Cosmin should end it.


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post May 22 2014, 09:39 AM
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Sunny came with an answer already but it's hidden biggrin.gif let's see if someone else hits the spot!


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