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Gabriel Leopardi
post May 10 2014, 06:01 PM
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…for her haircut? No seriously, how important do you think looks are in guitar music? If you are serious about your music career, do you have a strategy to develop your own original look?

There are many opinions about this, but be sure that most of the musicians that we admire and listen give attention to how they look on stage and on press photos. The visual part of music has always been very important and it’s a way to complement our music. Videoclips, artworks, and press photos are another way to attract audience attention…

What can you say about this? Do you give it importance? What artist do you think manage this in a good way?


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Are looks important in the music industry ? Yes, most of the time. However, a big subject can rarely be covered in a simple answer. There are always variables.

Genre will play a part. Some genres rely on looks higher than others.

If you ask the individual listener / fan then opinions will also vary. Some people couldn't care less what people look like but others do.

Should looks be important ? That's a different matter... in terms of clothing yes, people should probably do their best to at least be presentable and be a good role model. In terms of people's actual physical features, that's something that shouldn't play a part.

It works both ways. Someone shouldn't be denied an audience because they're 'ugly' and somebody shouldn't be handed success just because they've got a great pair of.....



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As Ben alludes to ... 'it can be a complex and multi-layered subject'.

In ANY music genre the 'perceived' honesty of the performer/artist is paramount.
A lot of fans like to say to say that they're not concerned with looks or image. Though usually it turns out that they are in fact into the 'anti' image ... which of course IS an image.

I feel that presentation is important.


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I think, that as an entertainer, you need to be aware of the fact that you are a center of influence smile.gif What you say, do, look like, think, eat, drink and so on, influences directly or indirectly, all the people that look up to you smile.gif It all depends on how conscious you are of this and what you want to transmit wink.gif It all relates to that in my opinion.


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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 10 2014, 06:19 PM) *
Are looks important in the music industry ? Yes, most of the time. However, a big subject can rarely be covered in a simple answer. There are always variables.

Genre will play a part. Some genres rely on looks higher than others.

If you ask the individual listener / fan then opinions will also vary. Some people couldn't care less what people look like but others do.

Should looks be important ? That's a different matter... in terms of clothing yes, people should probably do their best to at least be presentable and be a good role model. In terms of people's actual physical features, that's something that shouldn't play a part.

It works both ways. Someone shouldn't be denied an audience because they're 'ugly' and somebody shouldn't be handed success just because they've got a great pair of.....
I can agree with that, but A question arose from me reading this post

Is it wrong for someone to want to enjoy the person they are looking at.
are we too focused on tolerance that we forget someones personal right to choose (weather we like the decision or not),to me , I am not that persons God to tell them what to do , what to like, you should like them even though they are ugly.It seems so many people say live and let live, and then start telling me how" I need to live"
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ May 11 2014, 02:03 PM) *
I can agree with that, but A question arose from me reading this post

Is it wrong for someone to want to enjoy the person they are looking at.



So that's why you come to my video chats biggrin.gif





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post May 11 2014, 11:09 PM
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This conversation is running interesting. It's true that this is a topic that varies a lot from person to person, from artist to artist and also from style to style. It can be more or less important but I have been noted this in many different styles and situations.

I remember something that used to happen with my band in the beginning, we looked good, very young, with a girl singing... the comment was, this band must be bad. Once they listened to the album, they said, ok, the album sound good, but it must be arranged, they surely can't play good... all this prejudice was because of image.

It seems that there is also some kind of prejudice and preconception that has people that makes image important when you decide to dedicate professionally to music...


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 11 2014, 11:09 PM) *
It seems that there is also some kind of prejudice and preconception that has people that makes image important when you decide to dedicate professionally to music...


Like it or not, we are all prejudiced about all sorts of things without realising it. This goes into psychology now and I wish I had a decent article I could link to but I'll do my best to explain it..

For the human brain to function, it has to learn from its environment and make decisions based on the physical and emotional memories it collects. Humans have a natural suspicion or aversion to something that is radically different or difficult to comprehend.. anything that doesn't match their internal brain map of life might be processed by a prejudiced response because the only response they have to the situation might be based on information (often false information) that had been passed on by others.

Obviously, this is a real foundational level of subconscious brain activity but once we release it's there then it's up to us as humans living in a civilised modern age to decide whether or not to let our preconceptions / prejudices make our decisions for us.

Some prejudices are more malicious, like racism.. but I'm also talking about prejudices like 'I don't eat food that looks like xyz' or an aversion to visiting a certain place because over the years you've picked up suggestions as to the hostile nature of that place or something. Prejudices like that might not be registered on a conscious level.. they were put there by your brain because at some point it experienced something to make it go 'Oh, we won't go there because it could be a physical hazard to our health...'

Our brains are designed to protect our bodies. So even it's most irrational behaviour is designed to preserve your physical well being by avoiding anything that your brain says 'No' to.

Some prejudices are quite normal and not negatively affecting one's life.. I'm talking about the small stuff. Bigger prejudices that are negative, well that's down to the individual to work out that it's not appropriate and deal with it accordingly. Obviously, different people will decide what prejudices are ok to harbour or not.

I hope I've explained it well enough. Anything to do with psychology is interesting. Gab, I bet you didn't think you would start this !! tongue.gif


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Another thing which could be added here - if you aren't a natural, people will feel it smile.gif So, if you are not a flamboyant, egotistical stage person, don't try to be one - just let the music do the talking smile.gif

Have you guys tried to be something else than you really are, or believe in just to look good onstage?


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post May 12 2014, 02:18 PM
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As someone who is new to guitar, and havne't played with a band before this topic really stands out.

I recently decided that I would join a band to get better, and given that I love loads of music, I got an offer from a Thrash metal band. The guys are dead nice and the band is pretty tight, but I just DON'T fit the image at all. These guys have tattoos, long hair, have badass looking guitars and the such. I have short hair, no tattoos, my facial hair sucks and I wear colourful clothes - the lads tell me they don't care and that I shouldn't either, but to be honest, being up on stage for the first time in a few weeks, I'll be totally thinking about how out of place I look! Luckily, I'm not the type of person to bother about what people think, but I think I'll reiterate what's been said already in that.. To some extent, I think image is important, but the quality of the band should come first.
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 12 2014, 05:33 AM) *
Like it or not, we are all prejudiced about all sorts of things without realising it. This goes into psychology now and I wish I had a decent article I could link to but I'll do my best to explain it..

For the human brain to function, it has to learn from its environment and make decisions based on the physical and emotional memories it collects. Humans have a natural suspicion or aversion to something that is radically different or difficult to comprehend.. anything that doesn't match their internal brain map of life might be processed by a prejudiced response because the only response they have to the situation might be based on information (often false information) that had been passed on by others.

Obviously, this is a real foundational level of subconscious brain activity but once we release it's there then it's up to us as humans living in a civilised modern age to decide whether or not to let our preconceptions / prejudices make our decisions for us.

Some prejudices are more malicious, like racism.. but I'm also talking about prejudices like 'I don't eat food that looks like xyz' or an aversion to visiting a certain place because over the years you've picked up suggestions as to the hostile nature of that place or something. Prejudices like that might not be registered on a conscious level.. they were put there by your brain because at some point it experienced something to make it go 'Oh, we won't go there because it could be a physical hazard to our health...'

Our brains are designed to protect our bodies. So even it's most irrational behaviour is designed to preserve your physical well being by avoiding anything that your brain says 'No' to.

Some prejudices are quite normal and not negatively affecting one's life.. I'm talking about the small stuff. Bigger prejudices that are negative, well that's down to the individual to work out that it's not appropriate and deal with it accordingly. Obviously, different people will decide what prejudices are ok to harbour or not.

I hope I've explained it well enough. Anything to do with psychology is interesting. Gab, I bet you didn't think you would start this !! tongue.gif



Interesting thoughts and explanations Ben. No, I didn't thought that we were going that deeply but this is even more interesting. It's awesome how powerful our unconscious, how much we can learn from us and how many decisions and actions have a reason there.

Do you have any book or documentary to recommend about this topic?

QUOTE (ChocolateThunda @ May 12 2014, 10:18 AM) *
As someone who is new to guitar, and havne't played with a band before this topic really stands out.

I recently decided that I would join a band to get better, and given that I love loads of music, I got an offer from a Thrash metal band. The guys are dead nice and the band is pretty tight, but I just DON'T fit the image at all. These guys have tattoos, long hair, have badass looking guitars and the such. I have short hair, no tattoos, my facial hair sucks and I wear colourful clothes - the lads tell me they don't care and that I shouldn't either, but to be honest, being up on stage for the first time in a few weeks, I'll be totally thinking about how out of place I look! Luckily, I'm not the type of person to bother about what people think, but I think I'll reiterate what's been said already in that.. To some extent, I think image is important, but the quality of the band should come first.


Hi Chocolate! Your post is so precise mate. You took it to the real life thanks to a personal experience. That's one of the main things that I was meaning. However I think that you will be able to find the way to keep on being yourself but also fitting better with the other guys for the next concert.

What ideas do you have to do it? what are you planning to wear? Has this happened to any other GMC:er? How did you manage it?


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QUOTE (ChocolateThunda @ May 12 2014, 02:18 PM) *
As someone who is new to guitar, and havne't played with a band before this topic really stands out.

I recently decided that I would join a band to get better, and given that I love loads of music, I got an offer from a Thrash metal band. The guys are dead nice and the band is pretty tight, but I just DON'T fit the image at all. These guys have tattoos, long hair, have badass looking guitars and the such. I have short hair, no tattoos, my facial hair sucks and I wear colourful clothes - the lads tell me they don't care and that I shouldn't either, but to be honest, being up on stage for the first time in a few weeks, I'll be totally thinking about how out of place I look! Luckily, I'm not the type of person to bother about what people think, but I think I'll reiterate what's been said already in that.. To some extent, I think image is important, but the quality of the band should come first.
this may be the right look that this band need to draw more people types in


QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 12 2014, 09:33 AM) *
Like it or not, we are all prejudiced about all sorts of things without realising it. This goes into psychology now and I wish I had a decent article I could link to but I'll do my best to explain it..


Some prejudices are more malicious, like racism.. but I'm also talking about prejudices like 'I don't eat food that looks like xyz' or an aversion to visiting a certain place because over the years you've picked up suggestions as to the hostile nature of that place or something.

I hope I've explained it well enough. Anything to do with psychology is interesting. Gab, I bet you didn't think you would start this !! tongue.gif

nice Dr. Phil, u, I mean Ben

I am going to be the devils advocate, so please don't anyone get offended, buuuuuuuuuuuuutt, why is racism wrong, has not science taught us that those that survive last are best suited to survive last , so are we not just full filling our evolutionary needs to survive last.I find it conflicting to then try to set a standard ,who sets the standard .Does society? What happens if the majority of society finds rape acceptable .yet I would kill someone who tried that with my 5 daughters.As soon as you set a standard telling someone how they should behave- have you not just set yourself as their superior , or for a lack off a better term, their God - able to tell what they have to do and not, how their morals need to be
Now before you start thinkin I am racist ,I am not. but, why do your morals get to tell my morals what to do whilst my morals don't have equal value as your morals .Are you or do you think yourself better( which in my mind is what it boils down to)
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ May 12 2014, 05:19 PM) *
.As soon as you set a standard telling someone how they should behave- have you not just set yourself as their superior


Like religion, for example ?

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but, why do your morals get to tell my morals what to do whilst my morals don't have equal value as your morals .Are you or do you think yourself better( which in my mind is what it boils down to)


Interesting point. In reality, no one person has the right to say exactly how the world should go because morality is a man made concept. But, there is no denying that some actions are just plain crappy, to put it politely.

This is usually the point when angry people on the net start going on about free speech. I always think people misunderstand that a bit. Freedom of speech means you have the right to say exactly what you want. However, the freedom of speech does not insulate that person from the consequences of their words, which is the point that most people miss. So although someone can, in theory, call somebody whatever they want. Everybody else then has the right to call that person a monumental tool for saying such things. Freedom of speech is not a defense for championing divisive outdated beliefs. That's not aimed at you btw, Crsn, you just triggered another thought that I believe is applicable as a side note.. it's something I see so much on various comment threads ! smile.gif

Btw, this is a really interesting post about how ethics evolved in the world so people could live alongside one another.. it talks about religious ethics, humanism.. well worth a read.

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/ethics.htm


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Being from "The South" I've seen some pretty ugly aspects of the human condition regarding race. A staggering amount of it stems from things kids learn very early from their parents. I've spoken at length with folks who are a bit, shall we say, stuck in the "Old South" to try to find out where their world view comes from. More of it than they realize comes simply from how they were raised. The views we get fed as kids have a big impact on us but that's not to say we can't overcome them if we want to.

I was a bit lucky in that my folks very tolerant and open minded people and my mothers best friend was hindu lady who told us all about grown up in india and their pantheon and spiritual system, etc. Being raised a southern baptist, all of this seemed hard to reconcile as a kid, but we always were told that all of the belief systems, people, and views were valid and should be celebrated for their differences. Thus, I've ended up being one of the more "liberal" folks this side of the Mason Dixon line. smile.gif

So while I"m proud to be Southern, (my grandfather always said you should embrace anything you can't change, after all, why not?), there are certainly aspects of culture here that still sorta make me ill. But, I try very hard to honor everyones viewpoint as much as I can, even when it's a bit,...well..backward.





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Like religion, for example ?



Interesting point. In reality, no one person has the right to say exactly how the world should go because morality is a man made concept. But, there is no denying that some actions are just plain crappy, to put it politely.

This is usually the point when angry people on the net start going on about free speech. I always think people misunderstand that a bit. Freedom of speech means you have the right to say exactly what you want. However, the freedom of speech does not insulate that person from the consequences of their words, which is the point that most people miss. So although someone can, in theory, call somebody whatever they want. Everybody else then has the right to call that person a monumental tool for saying such things. Freedom of speech is not a defense for championing divisive outdated beliefs. That's not aimed at you btw, Crsn, you just triggered another thought that I believe is applicable as a side note.. it's something I see so much on various comment threads ! smile.gif

Btw, this is a really interesting post about how ethics evolved in the world so people could live alongside one another.. it talks about religious ethics, humanism.. well worth a read.

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/ethics.htm


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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 12 2014, 06:35 PM) *

actually it is the opposite, with religion they are telling you there is a moral absolute and you need to live to that standard- it is not their moral code , but, rather that of God that (in their opinion) canTake life or make life.I don't have a problem with their views based on their religion,I can then disregard or not that view, based on my beliefs. I am actually talking about those saying there is no moral standards , and then use their morals to make my standard
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QUOTE (ChocolateThunda @ May 12 2014, 01:18 PM) *
As someone who is new to guitar, and havne't played with a band before this topic really stands out.

I recently decided that I would join a band to get better, and given that I love loads of music, I got an offer from a Thrash metal band. The guys are dead nice and the band is pretty tight, but I just DON'T fit the image at all. These guys have tattoos, long hair, have badass looking guitars and the such. I have short hair, no tattoos, my facial hair sucks and I wear colourful clothes - the lads tell me they don't care and that I shouldn't either, but to be honest, being up on stage for the first time in a few weeks, I'll be totally thinking about how out of place I look! Luckily, I'm not the type of person to bother about what people think, but I think I'll reiterate what's been said already in that.. To some extent, I think image is important, but the quality of the band should come first.


That is very true smile.gif The music should come first, but in order to integrate in a group, you should see if you can do something to support the image of the little society you have been accepted in. There are two possibilities here:

- either blend in
- either stand out and be that patch of color in the group - this is also a possibility that could add a lot to the image of the band as a whole smile.gif

It's a half half matter, I think - you get to decide, but the guys in the band will have something to say about how things roll as well. How do you see this? smile.gif


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If I were to ever make it big, I would want to create a look that rivals Bucket Head, Kiss, Wes Borland, Lady Gaga...


I would go for this look...

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QUOTE (Spock @ May 13 2014, 09:26 AM) *
If I were to ever make it big, I would want to create a look that rivals Bucket Head, Kiss, Wes Borland, Lady Gaga...


I would go for this look...




Be sure that you would be a the most famous guitarist in just some days! laugh.gif laugh.gif

why don't you try it? record some youtube videos looking like that...


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That's been an old joke for me for a long time - that my shtick would be a big chicken suit.

The last time I played a live gig was on Halloween night 2004, I was dressed as a drunkard clown in a big yellow suit, painted face, big red nose, black painted whiskers, long stringy black hair, hat with red ball on top - I felt more free that night than I ever had before, I guess because it was like being a character as opposed to being myself.

I got the idea from an Alice in Chains documentary years ago. It was a ridiculous documentary of them behind the scenes and what they did when they weren't on the road - and Sean Kinney (the drummer) was a drunken clown.

Here's Sean Kinney...

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QUOTE (Spock @ May 13 2014, 09:39 AM) *
That's been an old joke for me for a long time - that my shtick would be a big chicken suit.

The last time I played a live gig was on Halloween night 2004, I was dressed as a drunkard clown in a big yellow suit, painted face, big red nose, black painted whiskers, long stringy black hair, hat with red ball on top - I felt more free that night than I ever had before, I guess because it was like being a character as opposed to being myself.

I got the idea from an Alice in Chains documentary years ago. It was a ridiculous documentary of them behind the scenes and what they did when they weren't on the road - and Sean Kinney (the drummer) was a drunken clown.



hahah yeah, I was kidding about suggesting you to do it, but not kidding about the fact that doing it would make you famous. laugh.gif


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