Dcz702's Composition Thread, for Gab's Army |
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May 17 2014, 03:56 PM
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Hi dcz! Welcome to our thread for creation! In this thread I will help you to improve your compositions, but also try to keep you motivated and inspired. This should be a creativity place so feel free to post music, stories, experiences, photos or whatever you'd like to make it funny and to keep connected.
At first I would like to invite you to post some of your compositions or ideas, and also to tell me what you think your compositions are lacking. Please also tell me about your influences and musical tastes, what you know of theory and whatever you consider important. Welcome to Gab's Army! 
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May 17 2014, 11:05 PM
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awsome, thanks gab
i will start working on this tommorow and have my first post during the weekend 
This post has been edited by dcz702: May 17 2014, 11:21 PM |
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May 18 2014, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (dcz702 @ May 17 2014, 07:05 PM)  awsome, thanks gab i will start working on this tommorow and have my first post during the weekend Great! I hope to hear from you soon. -------------------- My lessons
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May 20 2014, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 17 2014, 02:56 PM) At first I would like to invite you to post some of your compositions or ideas, and also to tell me what you think your compositions are lacking. Please also tell me about your influences and musical tastes, what you know of theory and whatever you consider important. Welcome to Gab's Army! ok here we go gab, excited to get started, and my journey into composing! my musical tastes are very broad, depends on my mood. i listen to mostly hard rock, some of my favorites would be Rise Against, Thrice, Hot Water Music. these bands are not the shredding guitar players that alot of young guitarists seem to look up to, but i think they are just awsome songwriters, there lyrics are mostly what grabs me, and the hard rocking heavy sounds with really good hooks. then im also into alot of hardcore like Atreyu, In flames, and KillSwitch Engage, these type of bands with there hard sound and melodic guitars and fast solos grab my intrest and i really like the sound. then i go reggae rock with bands like Soja, and Rebelution, im all over the place when it comes to music.  but really grew up on punk rock and like to think of my self as a punk rock dude if i started my own band i would probaly have a sound similar to the newer thrice albums, if i had it my way  my knowledge of theory is basic right now as everything ive learned, im having trouble applying. i can build chords from scales and ive been experamenting with things like using the 6th in place of the 5th and things like that in chords. i know my major and minor scales all over the fretboard in any key, and curently going through the proffessors theory board on modes. and i understand chord progrssions and the tonality of each chord in a progression. what i think im lacking is the knowledge to use chords and rythyms away from typical major and minor chords and power chords. for instance, rise against uses alot of there rythyms using the 1st and major 3rd and first and minor third power chords and i like this sound. i just cant put it togther in my own music. am i making scence? hope so  im lacking in alot but i want to start slow i did a quik composition tonight, i didnt really have a game plan for this, i just put down a drum beat using logicX with a tad customizing of the drums, then did a chord progression in Emin and started to hear some melodies and recorded it so here you go my friend, please be critical i want to take constuctive critisism and work hard on reaching my goals. https://soundcloud.com/rockmusic-915/dcz702compostionthread-1-5192014
This post has been edited by dcz702: May 20 2014, 08:38 AM |
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May 20 2014, 04:21 PM
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Hi mate! Interesting post. I can say that we have very similar musical taste. I also like a very wide range of style depending on how I feel going from pop to extreme metal, however my heart is around the most powerful rock. I'm also a fan of punk rock since Ramones has been my first love when I was 11. I could add to them Gun's & Roses and Nirvana... yes, I was a teenager during the 90's.
I'm very into post hardcore bands and I consider Thrice one of the most interesting. Their older stuff is very rich punk metal, and then they started to evolve and I can say that their last album is a masterpiece. Based on the things that you wrote, I think that we have 3 first goals. - Use of less common chord progressions and chords. - Explore new rhythm horizons - Understand the concepts behind Thrice's newer music. If we set this 3 goals as our target, we will be slowly making steps to achieve them. Composition is an endless journey, but this journey will be more enjoyable and effective if you have some guides about the road you should take. Regarding your composition. I think that it has a very good level. Your guitars are arranged with a very good sense of taste. The first part sounds happy, and reminds me to some brit pop bands. It sounds very good as an intro for a song in that style, however is a bit long to be a intro. Then, at 00:50 starts my favorite part, this one sound great, it's darker than the intro. This contrast between intro (happy) and verse (darker) makes me think that those are two different songs, I don't think that they fit well together unless you use what I called verse as a part C (something different that appears after the second chorus) In other words, both parts are great, but I think that maybe they are two starting point for different songs... what do you think? The last part is similar to the intro, and there the contrast is even more notorious. -------------------- My lessons
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May 21 2014, 04:36 PM
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Hi mate, this really makes sense. That's the way to start exploring with new inversions and possibilities and avoid using the most used chord shapes.
This lesson is once again happier, but there is a concept behind the intro and chorus that is related to your idea but incorporates something new. I'm basically combining melody and chords in the same guitar line, and obtaining many different chords with different extensions. Adding melodies to your chord progressions can be another trick to start using uncommon chords. Check this lesson and analize mostly parts 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 and 8. https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Pop-Punk-Lesson/ -------------------- My lessons
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May 22 2014, 03:49 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 21 2014, 03:36 PM) Hi mate, this really makes sense. That's the way to start exploring with new inversions and possibilities and avoid using the most used chord shapes. This lesson is once again happier, but there is a concept behind the intro and chorus that is related to your idea but incorporates something new. I'm basically combining melody and chords in the same guitar line, and obtaining many different chords with different extensions. Adding melodies to your chord progressions can be another trick to start using uncommon chords. Check this lesson and analize mostly parts 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 and 8. https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Pop-Punk-Lesson/ thanks gab, on this lesson now, i like the choice of chords used here, i will learn and study and understand the progression used, if you have any explantions, (before i come back here with qeustions)on how you come up with and use these chords let me know. good lesson and just what im looking for to use differnt chord structures in rock music  also id like to say that little solo behind the chords(thats not tabed out for the lesson) gives a really cool vibe to the tune,basicaly your using a few notes hitting the chord tones for the changing chords? i have been doing this alot to, and i have learned its a great way to start hearing melodies in your head. let me know if you have anything to add. ill be back to this thread in a couple days with my progress This post has been edited by dcz702: May 22 2014, 03:56 AM |
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May 22 2014, 05:17 PM
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Thanks for your words mate. I also composed a solo based on that lesson:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Pop-Punk-Solo/ That lesson was composed in 4 simple steps: 1. I decided the chord progression that I was going to use. 2. I played the progression while singing a very simple melody. It cold have been a repetitive melody, like a loop. 3. I learnt the melody in my guitar. 4. I incorporated the melody in the higher strings of the chords. At first you could record the progression and the melody in two guitar lines to se how it would sound, but then you should combine both in one guitar line. That's the trick, does it make sense? -------------------- My lessons
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May 24 2014, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 22 2014, 04:17 PM) Thanks for your words mate. I also composed a solo based on that lesson: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Pop-Punk-Solo/ That lesson was composed in 4 simple steps: 1. I decided the chord progression that I was going to use. 2. I played the progression while singing a very simple melody. It cold have been a repetitive melody, like a loop. 3. I learnt the melody in my guitar. 4. I incorporated the melody in the higher strings of the chords. At first you could record the progression and the melody in two guitar lines to se how it would sound, but then you should combine both in one guitar line. That's the trick, does it make sense? yes makes scence, im hearing melodies when i play back progression when i record, and im able to get those melodies onto my guitar, simple melodies . great solo by the way, on the pop punk solo lesson, ill save that for another day , maybe next year so ive learned your pop punk lesson, enjoyed it, ill post to rec when i get a chance, the triads you use at the end are a little trickier than they looked at first, at least to me, spent lot of time getting them clean with the melody in them clear. Id like to talk about the main progression, the "this is surely a hit progression". I love it! what i got from it is in the key of D major, with a I-V-vi-IV progression your keeping the root note (D) in every chord played. When you play in the key of D major and your on the V chord (A) and you add the Root note of the D major scale what would chord be called? i will remeber that when i play progressions this option of adding that note is available to me, just curious on what to call it. then when you move a half step down and play the 7th of the Dmajor scale on every chord, gives it this kind of tension (best way i know to describe it) to the sound. i also noticed that in the progression the chords notes are taken out and replaced with the 5th degree of the Dmajor scale, is this something that can always be done with out sounding out of key? this was a excellent lesson for me to apply replacing notes of a chord and see what it sounds like in a song. Just unclear what to call these chords when replacing the notes from the parent scale i dont know if im looking to deep into this, but along with practicing i want to have a clear understanding on how its done to better help me underdstand to compose in this same style. from what ive gathered now on this one lesson will try this in a different progression, and different keys. This post has been edited by dcz702: May 24 2014, 06:43 AM |
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May 25 2014, 09:48 PM
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Hi mate, that's a very good analysis. This is what I usually do with most of the music that I heard and it keeps me learning and incoporating new ideas for composing. Honestly, most of the time I don't pay attention to the chord names, but it is cool to know how to call them.
I'm not sure about what chords you are meaning but I think that the A that adds D is what it's commonly called Asus4. Sus4 is "Suspended 4th" and means that the 3rd of the chord is replaced by the 4th. In this case I replace C# with D.  Could you please use the Scale Generator to tell me which are the shapes that you mean by this: " when you move a half step down and play the 7th of the Dmajor scale on every chord, gives it this kind of tension (best way i know to describe it) to the sound." https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator/ -------------------- My lessons
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May 25 2014, 10:28 PM
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I marked with red the code that you should paste here:
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May 25 2014, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 25 2014, 08:48 PM) Hi mate, that's a very good analysis. This is what I usually do with most of the music that I heard and it keeps me learning and incoporating new ideas for composing. Honestly, most of the time I don't pay attention to the chord names, but it is cool to know how to call them. I'm not sure about what chords you are meaning but I think that the A that adds D is what it's commonly called Asus4. Sus4 is "Suspended 4th" and means that the 3rd of the chord is replaced by the 4th. In this case I replace C# with D. Could you please use the Scale Generator to tell me which are the shapes that you mean by this: " when you move a half step down and play the 7th of the Dmajor scale on every chord, gives it this kind of tension (best way i know to describe it) to the sound." https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator/ these are the chords i refer to as sounding like adding tension    then going back to the D note gives it that sound i really like This post has been edited by dcz702: May 25 2014, 11:30 PM |
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May 26 2014, 04:33 AM
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QUOTE (dcz702 @ May 25 2014, 07:26 PM) these are the chords i refer to as sounding like adding tension then going back to the D note gives it that sound i really like Well, I'm basically keeping a repetitive simple melody melody on strrings 3 and 4 while I move the root with the progression. That's how I get different interesting chords. The chords that you are asking there are: Dmaj7, A Major and B7sus2. This thread will help you to understand how this chords are build: Click HERE Do you use Guitar Pro? -------------------- My lessons
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May 26 2014, 03:52 PM
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Excellent analysis mate. That's exactly what I do, and it's a great trick to get an unlimited list of less common chords. As you can see, I first get them by ear, so I choose note combinations that sound good, then if I'm curious I analyze the intervals to know how to call them. If you use guitar pro, you can tab the shape and click the key A in your keyboard. A chord builder table is opened and it usually suggests names for the chord. This can help you to know how to call weird shapes.
The chords can have different names depending on the tonality and context that you play them, that's why guitar pro can suggest many names for the same shape:  About the sus chords. As I said earlier, sus means suspended. It indicates that the 3rd of the chord is replaced by the 2 or 4. This variation can be used for every chord. How to build 7sus2 chords How to build 7sus4 chords -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 4 2014, 08:42 AM
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Hi gab,
i havent had much time to spend composing i would like, busy time here in vegas, also im probably not spreading my time out well, between composing and some lessons, spent alot of time on a few lessons this week, that i really want to get down tonight i wanted to play around with chords and recorded a quick thing, kinda going off your pop punk what i learned with adding notes to chords. i didnt really have a idea on a rythym i wanted to use, i just used the drummer in logic and followed it with a cmajor progression. i was wondering maybe if there would be some kind of drills or tasks or lessons you could have for me to help me expand my chord knowledge, https://soundcloud.com/rockmusic-915/compositionthread2 |
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Jun 4 2014, 03:04 PM
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Hi mate! This sounds like a good plan for me. Is that audio mix the chord progression that you want to enrich?
What about these lessons? https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/extended-chords-ballad/ https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/9th_power_chords/ https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-gu...guitar-comping/ -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 5 2014, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 4 2014, 02:04 PM) Hi mate! This sounds like a good plan for me. Is that audio mix the chord progression that you want to enrich? What about these lessons? https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/extended-chords-ballad/ https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/9th_power_chords/ https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-gu...guitar-comping/ im gonna start on the 9th power chord lesson, thats more my style, thanks for the recording i did wasnt really trying to come up with a tune, just playing with chords and trying to make them work. i have been doing exercises like that alot. |
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