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Andrew Cockburn
post Jul 12 2007, 05:29 PM
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I'm wondering if anyone out there has some ideas as to how SV gets some of the sounds he uses at the beginning of "Whisper a Prayer" ...

I'm talking about that fat synthy sound with feedback - here's what I know so far:

1. Trem dips to get the floaty pitchy feel
2. The Jem if you crank up the gain and add some compression will decay rather nicely to a 3rd harmonic (Octave + 5th to the fundamental) and SV seems to do this, but his harmonics come in a lot stronger and more quickly
3. I know he uses Eventide harmonisers - was wondering if they account for the above?
4. Does anyone know if he relies on real acoustic feedback, or is it all electronic?

Any answers gratefully recieved ...


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Andrew,
Not to be a smartass or anything, but like most Steve Vai riffs, I am sure he gets his sound directly from either aliens, God or other divine influence...
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post Jul 12 2007, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (Ninevolt @ Jul 12 2007, 12:34 PM) *
Andrew,
Not to be a smartass or anything, but like most Steve Vai riffs, I am sure he gets his sound directly from either aliens, God or other divine influence...
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Yes, it does sound that way smile.gif Can us mere mortals ever understand ?


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post Jul 12 2007, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 12 2007, 04:29 PM) *
I'm wondering if anyone out there has some ideas as to how SV gets some of the sounds he uses at the beginning of "Whisper a Prayer" ...

I'm talking about that fat synthy sound with feedback - here's what I know so far:

1. Trem dips to get the floaty pitchy feel
2. The Jem if you crank up the gain and add some compression will decay rather nicely to a 3rd harmonic (Octave + 5th to the fundamental) and SV seems to do this, but his harmonics come in a lot stronger and more quickly
3. I know he uses Eventide harmonisers - was wondering if they account for the above?
4. Does anyone know if he relies on real acoustic feedback, or is it all electronic?

Any answers gratefully recieved ...


He's using the volume pedal on that point, isn't he? I know he does later when he's harmonizing with the delay.

Flo has a sustainer pickup in it. Not sure what the two extra switches on the body of that guitar do though either (from the Astoria video).

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I know he uses volume pedals, Delay, Reverb, Harmonizers (no idea what kind) and obvioulsy some kind of FX Pedal or MultiFX Pedal. Its VERY Hard to replicate that song in any way. it wouldnt hurt if either if you could master the art of creating feedback and trem bar antics.

also, If he doesnt answer here, I'd PM Pavel, he might know.

PS.

Whispering A Prayer is my single most favorite song, second only to Iron Maidens powerslave.

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Slightly off topic:

May I ask whats so amusing about this song? I think its rather boring tongue.gif

This is song is a thousand times better! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piIBShJ1GXI

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Blood and Glory is a great song, i even know how to play it.

But i find Whispering A Prayer to be one of the most Beautiful songs, the melodies are just so unreal, the song inspires me everytime i hear it, and when i saw him play it live, i could of cried....But i uh Didnt, Ahem!!
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QUOTE (Robin @ Jul 12 2007, 01:48 PM) *
Slightly off topic:

May I ask whats so amusing about this song? I think its rather boring tongue.gif

This is song is a thousand times better! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piIBShJ1GXI

(please dont kill me) biggrin.gif


Missiles locked, loaded and aimed at Alta ... laugh.gif

Ok, I'll give you my view. Since I am not a Metal guy, my love of Steve Vai revolves around his sense of melody and emotion. For me, the 3 best songs of his I have heard in order would be:

1. Tender Surrender
2. Whisper a Prayer
3. For the Love of God

All slower more emotional songs. Having said that, I admire all of his playing, and the link you gave above is pretty cool too smile.gif

EDIT - Changed the order of the songs smile.gif

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Or does it ???

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Hmm very well then! I dont think the melodies are that great, ah well. Everyone have different opinions.

Oh and btw Andrew, that link I gave you isnt just "pretty cool" biggrin.gif I cant find words to describe it actually tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Robin @ Jul 12 2007, 01:58 PM) *
Andrew, that link I gave you isnt just "pretty cool" biggrin.gif I cant find words to describe it actually tongue.gif


Well ok, we disagree about his best songs but we both share an immense respect for his genius, which I guess is good enough smile.gif

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 12 2007, 01:57 PM) *
What happens on GMC stays on GMC wink.gif
Or does it ???


I sure hope it does... smile.gif

Anyway, Those songs you picked, Tender Surrender, Whispering A Prayer, And For The Love Of God are pretty much EXACTLY my favorites, except it would look liek this.

1. Whispering A Prayer
2. For The Love Of God
3. Gentle Ways

Gentle Ways is another slower emotional one, check it out if you like thay style of Vai. Excellent tune.
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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Jul 12 2007, 02:10 PM) *
I sure hope it does... smile.gif

Anyway, Those songs you picked, Tender Surrender, Whispering A Prayer, And For The Love Of God are pretty much EXACTLY my favorites, except it would look liek this.

1. Whispering A Prayer
2. For The Love Of God
3. Gentle Ways

Gentle Ways is another slower emotional one, check it out if you like thay style of Vai. Excellent tune.


Heh, thanks! Waiting for an Amazon shipment with a load of new Vai CDs (I have 3 so far). Hope Gentle ways is on one of those ....

Ok, I see its on Sound Theories, cool, I'm getting that - what album was it origionaly on?

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Alive In An Ultra World, You should buy that album as well, it has Whispering A Prayer on it smile.gif
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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Jul 12 2007, 02:43 PM) *
Alive In An Ultra World, You should buy that album as well, it has Whispering A Prayer on it smile.gif


Got that one ... ahh, missed it because it had some other title (Brandos Costumes or some such). Thanks!


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 12 2007, 06:29 PM) *
I'm wondering if anyone out there has some ideas as to how SV gets some of the sounds he uses at the beginning of "Whisper a Prayer" ...

I'm talking about that fat synthy sound with feedback - here's what I know so far:

1. Trem dips to get the floaty pitchy feel
2. The Jem if you crank up the gain and add some compression will decay rather nicely to a 3rd harmonic (Octave + 5th to the fundamental) and SV seems to do this, but his harmonics come in a lot stronger and more quickly
3. I know he uses Eventide harmonisers - was wondering if they account for the above?
4. Does anyone know if he relies on real acoustic feedback, or is it all electronic?

Any answers gratefully recieved ...


Sorry for replying this late but i couldn't log in to forum the whole day!

Ok - i'll tell you what Vai uses to get those sounds:

1. the intervals shifting + maintaining the original note is the Digitech Whammy Pedal! You can set it to millions settings - really an amazing piece of equipment! So for example you play C and you set the pedal to major third, and when you press it (like wah pedal) you get the original C + E which is created by Whammy Pedal! Cool, ha?

2. Vai has Fernandez Sustainiac pick-up (the neck pick-up on Flo guitar) which gives him unlimited sustain!! The two switches are used to create like harmonics. So as soon as you pick a note it will go into artificial harmonics without you doing it. You just play the note. The switches, as long as i remember, set if it goes an octave or 5th, or 2 octaves...

3. 2xCarvin Legacy Amps - 100Watts - live on stage it gives you an amazing sound, natural feedback - you only have to control it like Vai does!

4. His rig - better let's not talk about it! smile.gif

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QUOTE (Pavel @ Jul 12 2007, 07:56 PM) *
Sorry for replying this late but i couldn't log in to forum the whole day!

Ok - i'll tell you what Vai uses to get those sounds:

1. the intervals shifting + maintaining the original note is the Digitech Whammy Pedal! You can set it to millions settings - really an amazing piece of equipment! So for example you play C and you set the pedal to major third, and when you press it (like wah pedal) you get the original C + E which is created by Whammy Pedal! Cool, ha?

2. Vai has Fernandez Sustainiac pick-up (the neck pick-up on Flo guitar) which gives him unlimited sustain!! The two switches are used to create like harmonics. So as soon as you pick a note it will go into artificial harmonics without you doing it. You just play the note. The switches, as long as i remember, set if it goes an octave or 5th, or 2 octaves...

3. 2xCarvin Legacy Amps - 100Watts - live on stage it gives you an amazing sound, natural feedback - you only have to control it like Vai does!

4. His rig - better let's not talk about it! smile.gif


Wow! Thanks for the info Pavel ... I can feel a Digitech whammy in my future maybe smile.gif

Right, off to read about Sustainiacs ...


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Here's an example of Vai and Mojo (another JEM) doing crazy things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQF1t2RdINU

I don't wanna ask how he does all that. I feel that I will somehow learn it when the time is right :D
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 12 2007, 06:29 PM) *
I'm wondering if anyone out there has some ideas as to how SV gets some of the sounds he uses

Oh heck. I read "SRV". You made me read a whole thread with questionmarks stacking up around my head...

I didn't realize it was Vai until Pavels reply tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Speedeh @ Jul 13 2007, 12:59 AM) *
Here's an example of Vai and Mojo (another JEM) doing crazy things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQF1t2RdINU

I don't wanna ask how he does all that. I feel that I will somehow learn it when the time is right biggrin.gif


Oh my god. I've seen the bad horsie video and I thought that was crazy, but this is absolutely insane. One of the best live performances I've ever seen, thanks for showing me. What a show tongue.gif


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