Sweep Picking And Speed Picking
steve25
Jul 12 2007, 06:01 PM
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Just a quick question on these 2 topics. Basically i'm wondering how once you can say sweep with 1 pattern how you can do it just as fast on another. It takes the beginning sweeper quite a while to master one sweeping pattern right to get it up to a really good speed controlled and in time etc. But when you go to practice another one surely you're starting all over again and going through the exact same slow learning process for this new pattern everytime because it's really quick? I can't imagine you being able to sweep pick anywhere and to anything once you've mastered one pattern as i'm calling it. So how would you be able to keep the speed or help to keep it for everywhere you sweep? It's the same for speed picking you're using certain scales up and down the fretboard that takes a lot of time to get fast doesn't it? Especially if you're new to things like shredding so when you try a different one surely it will take a lot of time again to be able to get up to speed with a new solo if you like. Hope i've made sense here any suggestions or ideas about what people do to help this because if this is the case it seems almost pointless to me or more effort than it's worth in the end

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Jul 12 2007, 06:37 PM
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You're absolutely correct AND you answered your own questions.

Practice. That's it, unfortunately.

I notice that as I learn more scales and patterns, new ones become easier simply because my overall speed is faster.

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QUOTE (AIB234 @ Jul 12 2007, 01:37 PM) *
You're absolutely correct AND you answered your own questions.

Practice. That's it, unfortunately.

I notice that as I learn more scales and patterns, new ones become easier simply because my overall speed is faster.


Its like you start at maybe 50% because you have past experience, so you don;t go back right to the start, plus you probably learn quicker.

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Jul 13 2007, 09:54 AM
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I see but say you wanted to create a shreddy solo would you first have to make it and see if it sounds good slow and then speed it up as you wouldn't be able to improvise really fast straight away?

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QUOTE (steve25 @ Jul 13 2007, 03:54 AM) *
I see but say you wanted to create a shreddy solo would you first have to make it and see if it sounds good slow and then speed it up as you wouldn't be able to improvise really fast straight away?

Ohh no. People can improvise really fast. REALLY FAST biggrin.gif. How they impovise with Scales, and such. Are licks. And just different combinations of things. And sometimes. Thats how solos are made. Just out of messing around, and improviseing. I know thats how i made a few things of mine.
Of course. Most of the time. When solos are improvised. They wont sound as well. As if someone sat down. And thought it out. Unless your like slash, or Jimi, or Steve Vai, or any of them amazing players they can do it because of many many years of PRACTICE.

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QUOTE (steve25 @ Jul 13 2007, 04:54 AM) *
I see but say you wanted to create a shreddy solo would you first have to make it and see if it sounds good slow and then speed it up as you wouldn't be able to improvise really fast straight away?


Not necessarily, because improvisatoion is realy stringing together licks you have been practicing up to speed.

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 13 2007, 01:11 PM) *
Not necessarily, because improvisatoion is realy stringing together licks you have been practicing up to speed.


Is it essential to make licks first before you improvise? All i've been doing so far is just improvising with the scale boxes you know up and down the fretboard mainly in the pentatonic minor scale i haven't actually got any short licks if you like.

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QUOTE (steve25 @ Jul 13 2007, 10:30 AM) *
Is it essential to make licks first before you improvise? All i've been doing so far is just improvising with the scale boxes you know up and down the fretboard mainly in the pentatonic minor scale i haven't actually got any short licks if you like.


Well, you are putting together licks at some level with what you just described. You probably have a few patterns you like and repeat - string those thgether and there you go! As you get better you start to build "generic licks" - sequences that you are familiar enough with that you can easily change their key, or a note or two to re-use them in different musical contexts.

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Well if i'm being honest i have 2 that are my own but they're only about 2 seconds long, well actually 1 of the, is not even that i need to build on it i think. The rest of the licks i know are everyone elses like bands and stuff. I'll here a bit in a song that i really like so i'll learn only that bit of the song because that's the best bit i'm like that you see. Perhaps i should start comming up with licks. Here's something though, you could have say 6 licks that sound really good on their own yet they could sound really crap together so do you just make an improvisation between those licks?

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QUOTE (steve25 @ Jul 13 2007, 11:12 AM) *
Well if i'm being honest i have 2 that are my own but they're only about 2 seconds long, well actually 1 of the, is not even that i need to build on it i think. The rest of the licks i know are everyone elses like bands and stuff. I'll here a bit in a song that i really like so i'll learn only that bit of the song because that's the best bit i'm like that you see. Perhaps i should start comming up with licks. Here's something though, you could have say 6 licks that sound really good on their own yet they could sound really crap together so do you just make an improvisation between those licks?


Everyone steals licks so don;t worry about that smile.gif Putting the licks together in a sequence and transition that sounds good is something to practice ...

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haha true but when it's really obvious that you've stolen it that becomes something different. Especially if it's a really famous lick or something smile.gif

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