Ssl 4000e 96 Channel Mixing Desk In Your Laptop? |
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May 30 2014, 09:04 AM
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There is a new bit of kit that I keep seeing people rave about in various mixing rags called the SOFTUBE CONSOLE 1. IT's a small controller that comes with software to emulate something like this. (Approved by the folks @ SSL!)
 But stuffed in your laptop running as a plugin on ANY DAW controlled by this little controller.  Here is a link to their site. http://www.softube.com/console1.php and a youtube vid about it. what do you think? In Short - Next generation mixer - Tightly integrated hardware/software system - Solid State Logic SL 4000 E model included - Hands-on control and intuitive workflow - Use with any major DAW - Parametric equalizer, compressor, gate, transient shaper, high/low cut filters and harmonics/distortion - Customize the channel by adding any Softube equalizer or dynamics plug-in - The system will run and the settings can be adjusted without having the hardware connected This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: May 30 2014, 09:05 AM |
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May 30 2014, 03:54 PM
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I've tracked dozens of things on actual SSLs (mic'd, direct, both). They all sounded different ... and the difference was determined by the guy or gal at the desk. I hear guys talk about the SOFTUBE console 1 and the software. They seem to like it as a tool but none ever discuss whether or not it 'sounds' like an SSL board.
Don't do a search ... What does an SSL (4000 series) board sound like?  They've been around since the late 70s.
This post has been edited by klasaine: May 30 2014, 04:21 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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May 30 2014, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE (SeeJay @ May 30 2014, 08:38 PM)  It's all a tool. Just depends on how you use it and if you vibe with it. I do encourage to use console coloration for beginners and semi-pro's. Reason is most don't have a good sense of a mix sound as all of us are listening mastered (especially loud masters for a while now) song all the time. This causes them to over use plug-ins. At least with SSL vibe and specially the buss compressor this helps them to achieve a close mastered sound without destroying the mix  By the way as affordable alternatives, I recommend satson; http://dsp.sonimus.com/products/satson/ specially for beginners as its easy and sounds great. This freeware comp. should do the trick for compression although it isn't an SSL emulation http://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-feedback-compressor-2/ For professional productions CLC by alexb; http://www.alessandroboschi.eu/html/alexb/...gic_console.htm but this works only with Nebula; http://www.acustica-audio.com/ and isn't easy to use but sounds amazing. Sampled compressor is sold separate http://www.alessandroboschi.eu/html/alexb/..._collection.htm This post has been edited by Mertay: May 30 2014, 09:55 PM |
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May 31 2014, 11:33 PM
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Like Ken I've ued SSLs and Neve consoles and quite a few others. Many of those who use plug in emulations haven't and to be a tad cynical don't arguably know the difference between one analogue console and the next and what the difference in sound, work flow etc are. A lot of what was mixed in Europe did not rely solely on the console's chanel strips.
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Jun 1 2014, 04:41 AM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ May 31 2014, 04:06 PM) Good point, I did read where someone modified his SSL to internally shorten the connections and commented the console sounded entirely different. And there in lies the little 'secret' ... All- and I mean ALL - of the really high end Neves, SSLs, Tridents, APIs, Harrison, Toft, etc. have been modded or outright customized even when they were brand new and installed. Many times by the manufacturer. You don't just order a $150,000.00 to $600,000.00 board off the shelf. When you pay for that gear it's custom fitted and wired (to a point) for 'you', your needs and your studio. Every famous board I've had the honor, delight and privilege to sit beside and plug into has been modified in some way. Not too mention those boards need CONSTANT attention so parts are being swapped, changed and 'upgraded' all the time. *I've heard that almost every SSL 4k board was customized to order and that there are about 20 different versions of the 'same' board. Tony offhandedly mentioned something really important - workflow. A lot of engineers love working on an SSL (they dig the routing) but don't necessarily dig the solid state logic pre amps. But, by the time SSL arrived on the scene many engineers had already begun to use 'outboard' pres and comps. SSL pres are super clean. They're not known for having a lot of 'mojo' or being fat and present or whatever other adjectives folks like to toss around. If you want 'that' sound (of whatever board you think you want) ... buy a couple of channel strips from the original manufacturer. Better yet, rent them first so you can learn what they sound like and how they work. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jun 1 2014, 05:06 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jun 1 2014, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jun 1 2014, 03:41 AM) ... Tony offhandedly mentioned something really important - workflow. A lot of engineers love working on an SSL (they dig the routing) but don't necessarily dig the solid state logic pre amps. But, by the time SSL arrived on the scene many engineers had already begun to use 'outboard' pres and comps. SSL pres are super clean. They're not known for having a lot of 'mojo' or being fat and present or whatever other adjectives folks like to toss around. If you want 'that' sound (of whatever board you think you want) ... buy a couple of channel strips from the original manufacturer. Better yet, rent them first so you can learn what they sound like and how they work. Absolutely Ken. Over here in Europe what many engineers really liked about the SSLs when they first came on the scene was recall and it was recall that helped SSLs sell their consoles to many studios. A lot of engineers initially were not that fond of the strips and just as you say used outboard. It wasn't until around when SSLfirst started to do the blackface strips that engineers really started to like and specifically use SSL for the SSL type sound. Over the years I've spoken to quite a few people who rave about the SSL sound and when you dig a bit in to what some of them really mean they are actually confusing some outboard with SSL. We still use Neve hardware for preamps and channel strips for the little recording and mixing we do as we like the Neve coloration. A Neve strip or pre etc. though is very different to say an API and just as Ken says you really should try a strip to get an understanding of what they sound like.If you're looking at a preamp/eq and like Neve then you should also be aware that the 1073 is different to a 1081 and the same is true of SSL 'E' series and 'G' series strips etc. One of the things we've found is that there are many vsts that are emulations of Neve, SSL, API etc but all the ones we've heard still don't quite have it. To use the API 2500 as an example, the software vsts that we've A/B'ed drag the stereo field in compared to our hardware 2500. But that's a different 'can of worms'. This post has been edited by tonymiro: Jun 1 2014, 12:23 PM -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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