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post Feb 25 2015, 08:32 PM
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Hi Gab!Sorry for the late response but I had some problems that I needed to fix but now I am back for good...at least I hope smile.gif
So I saw your feedback regarding the alternate picking lesson and I can say I can't apply the right hand movement to the Van Halen lesson,it's because as soon I finish the alternate picking part I got to be with my right hand on top of the guitar so that's why I do that weird movement cause it's more comfortable for me and allows me to be close to the top of the guitar.
Regarding the ear training I tried singing the notes using the mic and the guitar and I find it very hard to sing the right notes smile.gif so now I will use the free software that you recommended and I hope it will help me more then my voice biggrin.gif I am aloso thinking in the near future to take some singing lessons.
The Beatles song seems to be easy but it's not...I have an ideea about the arppegios but I am not totally sure it's right.A little help would be nice...for example I think the song it's in E major,please tell me if I am wrong.
And now...for the final of this post....here it is...a new try on the intro of Van Halen lesson smile.gif
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About the colab...I think it's better to let it go cause it's no time for me to finish my part untill the deadline.

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post Feb 26 2015, 02:52 PM
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Hi Vince, thanks for the update!

I note that you are not resting the palm your picking hand in any part around the bridge while you play the alternate picking part. If you do it, your palm will act as an anchor point for your wrist, and you'll feel your picking more stable and your hand more relaxed while you play. Check out any alternate picking lesson and you will note that we don't use the right hand floating in order to have more precision, and a better and more stable tempo.

The song by The Beatles is in E major so you are on the right track with it! smile.gif Are you using Amazing slow downer software?



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Hi Gab!Sorry for the late update...I am not doing to good this period and practicing is on the 2nd place of things to do.
Regarding the alternate picking from the Van Halen lesson I have to say that even though it can't be seen beucause of the recording angle...I have 2 contact points on my guitar....one is with my elbow and one is with my soft side of the hand.
The beatles song is giving me headaches cause even if I know that the song is in E major tonality I can't find the right pattern.
These days I had a small idea that I think I will benefit from it and since next year I will look to join a cover band...How about if in our ear training program we study popular songs that cover bands play...what do you say?
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Hi Vince! Thanks for the update. I don't know exactly what's happening but I hope that your other things get calm soon. smile.gif

About your right hand position, yeah, maybe the camera angle confused me. There is a difference in picking direction that makes your version sound with a different accentuation and less groove. If check Alex's right hand at 00:04, you will see that he is playing the part with only downstrokes but keeps the up and down movement in 8th notes to keep it groovy. This is a trick that will help a lot to make your rhythm technique tighter and more connected with the backings groove. It would be a good plan to use this lesson to practice it because then it will be a natural part of your playing.

The cover songs band sounds like a great plan! We can work on a list of popular songs but from my experience cover songs are very wide so I wonder what songs you consider are at the top of the list of cover bands... in my country this is a possible list:

















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Hi Gab!How are you?First of all thank you for your reply....your words are orders for me, just like in the real army laugh.gif
I checked the Van Halen lesson and at the 00:04 he plays only downstrokes and I couldn't tell why I left over such an important detail but now I have the answer....in the end of the lesson he plays the same part with upstrokes smile.gif and my brain tricked me to learn the easy way and that is the part with upstrokes.Now regarding the alternate picking part I looked better and saw that actually there isn't any alternate picking laugh.gif it's just a legato part played with downstrokes.After this lesson definetly I should get a pair of glasses blink.gif
About cover songs ...you are right!It's different then my country so I think I should propose a new song everytime if you are ok with this...I am a little bit scared cause I am stepping into the unknown smile.gif
The first song is this....Iggy Pop-The Passenger
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Hi Vince, good job analyzing the lesson and technique used by Alex closely. I notice that your rhythm skills are getting better and better after each take that you share here. There is still something to adjust regarding your downpicking movement exactly at the 00:04 part that we talked before. You do some kind of "circular" movement while it should be more vertical. Please compare your hand and Alex's at that moment and let me know if you can see what I mean.

About the cover song, yeah! that's a great choice. Could you please post here the chords that you hear on it?


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Hi Gab!I checked the part at 00:04 and I redid a video: Van Halen intro #7
So about The Passenger song by Iggy Pop I hear the folowing chords: Am-F-C-G.
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Hi mate, the video is private.

The chords are perfect! Have you played along with the song? Is there a recording of it? smile.gif


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Hi Gab!Sorry about the viideo....now it's unlisted and you can see it!
I tried a little bit to play the chords but it wasn't enough time to record...tomorrow this will be the first thing that I do smile.gif
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Hi Vince, the part is better now, there is still some "circular" movement but it's smaller now. Keep on practicing and be careful with it. wink.gif


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Hi Gab!I was brain storming today and I think the only way to get rid of the circular movement is to stop the string with the pick smile.gif This motion allows me to mute the string and also keep the hand paralel to the guitar.What do you think?
Here is a quick video of The Passanger song....The Passanger
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Hi Vince, I'm not sure of what you mean. Could you show it with a close camera angle?

The Passenger sample sounds good, it just needs more groove but maybe using a drum groove or backing track could help with it.


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Hey Gab!To better understand me please look at part 2 of the lesson...there is a close video of the right hand movement and you will see that I got the circular movement by reproducing this part in my playing...in the main lesson he does a a different movement using only downstrokes and muting the string with his pick or maybe his thumb unsure.gif
Regarding The Passanger song...how about if I play over the song?
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yes! he is resting the whole hand there including the thumb, the pick and the palm. That's how I also use to mute the strings between strums when it's required. If you pay attention to the moment in which he mutes you'll notice that he goes with the beat/groove. It's important to always keep grooving, even when you mute.


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Hi Gab!Another attempt on the VH lesson,at the moment I don't find it natural to keep my hand on the strings when I do the muting part.
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Hi Vince, your hand movement on this lesson seems to be right on this take. Are you talking about this part when you say that you don't feel it natural? Because it looks natural from here... cool.gif

I'm talking about the muting parts for example at 00:12.


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Hi Gab!Exactly...I am talking about the part at 00:12...When I am playing I sitll got to think about where to put my hand on the guitar.If everything it's ok ...can I move on and record the next parts of the lesson?
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yes! It's ok like that! Let's go for the next parts. smile.gif


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Hi Gab!Here are the next parts of the Van Halen Lesson...I played them on a slower tempo cause I want to be sure that I get them right.The first impression is that I am rigid when I mark the accent on the strums....but you will see it in the video smile.gif
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Hi Vince, great to see you playing the whole thing! smile.gif

I agree with you about the fact that your playing and movement sounds and looks rigid on this video. I checked the original lesson again after watching yours and I noted a big difference: Alex's body, hands, arms and foots are going with the groove while your body looks frozen while your hands move. You need to follow the groove with your head, tap with your foot, and let the right hand move with the groove in 8th notes even when you don't reach the notes. I know that this is an early video, but please continue practicing with this in mind.

Also, remember to avoid that circular right hand movement that we talked about when you pick single strings. (for example around 00:36).

As I did to give more specific feedback, compare both videos, check your posture and movements and notice the main differences with Alex's. You will learn a lot just y analyzing. You can do the same with some other rhythm guitarists. Check some Van Halen, SRV or Angus Young videos, analyze how they play rhythm stuff.



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