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Hey Gab! I think that I should get started in learning this new lesson but also keep you updated each step I take ...smile.gif
And about this song The Ramones - I believe in miracles it's in B minor with verse B-G-A-E -|B-G-E-A, chorus B-A-G ,bridge A-G-A-G-A.

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hehehe why not man! That's a beautiful lesson by the great guitarist Sinisa. It has some problematic licks in the second half but if you have enough motivation to learn each of the licks, let's go for it! The first goal is to learn each lick and play it at your tempo over the backing tracks. You can use slower backings for playing it exactly as it is, but I also recommend you to use the normal tempo backing to create variations of the licks that you already can play. So this should have a double goal: technique and creative.

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It sounds good. What about one new part each day and you post the lick here?

About Ramones song...

Chorus and bridge are perfect. I'm playing your version of the verse and it sounds possible but it's not right. Give it a new try and let me know what you get.

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Hi Gab!I will try one part everyday except this friday smile.gif I think anything is possible.In the Ramones song I will recheck the verse and see if I can find the right chords...
The first part for today didn't end up well cause I don't feel so comfortable playing it...so here it is...
In the spirit of 70's part 1
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 13 2014, 07:44 AM) *
It sounds good. What about one new part each day and you post the lick here?

About Ramones song...

Chorus and bridge are perfect. I'm playing your version of the verse and it sounds possible but it's not right. Give it a new try and let me know what you get.

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Hi Vince, I'm checking the first lick for this lesson and I have to say that you are playing it with a different rhythm, and starting in a different part of the measure compared to the original take. Check out that your playing starts at the beginning of the backing while Sinisa's let's a silence there. Do you note it?

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Hey Gab!Unfortunetly I noticed the next day that I had a false start smile.gif...I decied to learn the second part and post a recording with both parts on the right rhythm...is that ok?

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It's ok! Remember to practice the licks over the original lesson to be sure that you are playing them with the correct rhythm and timing. I'll be waiting for the new recording. wink.gif

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Absolutely!The new recording is coming soon...A new update on The Ramones song...the verse is B-F#-G-E B-F#-G-A.I noticed that all my mistakes come from bad singing and from the fact that chords share in common one or two notes.I think after establishing the tonality it would be a good idea to learn by ear the scale.

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Hi mate! Thanks for the update! Looking forward the videos!

Great job with the Ramones song, but just one details, the intro and verse are always: B-F#-G-E. But I consider this one as done! Congrats!!

We should go for a new song since this is a task that you should do diary....

What about this song from our first album? biggrin.gif

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Hey Gab!Since it was the same with the verse I forgot to point the intro...but next time I will not miss any details wink.gif Hehe I always wanted to learn a song from your band...I am so excited biggrin.gif
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Hi mate! Thanks for the update! Looking forward the videos!

Great job with the Ramones song, but just one details, the intro and verse are always: B-F#-G-E. But I consider this one as done! Congrats!!

We should go for a new song since this is a task that you should do diary....

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QUOTE (Vince09 @ Nov 18 2014, 12:25 PM) *
Hey Gab!Since it was the same with the verse I forgot to point the intro...but next time I will not miss any details wink.gif Hehe I always wanted to learn a song from your band...I am so excited biggrin.gif


Great!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Looking forward your news.

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Hey Hey again!Here are the first 2 parts of the 70's lesson...Right from the start I had a problem cause my guitar has only 21 frets and in the 2nd part of the lesson I need to play note D on the 22 fret so I was forced to play C# on the 21 fret wich doesn't sound bad but it''s not like in the original lesson.WIth much more practice it will sound much better .In the spirit of 70's part 1-2

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Hi Vince. Great job with rhythm this time!

You are getting close now but off course you still have to practice this one to polish the trickier parts. One important difference with the original lesson is the vibrato technique. Check out how Sinisa incorporates wide vibrato which fits great with the backing. I don't really note it in your take. Also, the last licks need to be polished, there are some timing issues as well as sync between both hands. Isolate that part as I usually suggest and work on it while you also continue learning the next section.

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Hellow Gab!Your advice is my command smile.gif About the song Cuando Despiertes....it's made in F# Minor and it has the intro F#-A-E-B (Also on the background I hear a cool little sound made out of E-D-C#-B-A-C# E-D-C#-B-A-F#), chorus F#-A-E-B ,bridge F#-A-B-F#-A-B-D major.The verse is the main problem cause I can't hear it really well cause it's way in the back but I am sure it's made out of triads F#minor-A major-E major-B minor.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 22 2014, 09:57 PM) *
Hi Vince. Great job with rhythm this time!

You are getting close now but off course you still have to practice this one to polish the trickier parts. One important difference with the original lesson is the vibrato technique. Check out how Sinisa incorporates wide vibrato which fits great with the backing. I don't really note it in your take. Also, the last licks need to be polished, there are some timing issues as well as sync between both hands. Isolate that part as I usually suggest and work on it while you also continue learning the next section.

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Hi Vince. The intro and chorus are perfect! Well done! You are now very tight learning power chords by ear. The problem appears when the guitars are arranged with arpeggios or the chords are changed fast. Both the verse and the bridge aren't well yet. Let's start with the verse, instead of listening to the guitar arpeggios try to hear what the bass is doing, listen to the roots used and let me know what you hear.

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sad.gif In the verse I hear F#-A-B-E.

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The correct chords are: F#m - E - B - A. Play them with the tune and hear the differences than playing the chords that you suggested. Do you note it?

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There is a big difference between the chords that I suggested and the right chords.I don't know how could I missed it.
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But now.. can you hear the difference? Did you try playing both possibilities and listening to the differences? That's very important.

This is the new song to learn by ear:



This one has mostly guitar arpeggios, so as we did with Cirse's song, start with the roots and then try to find the complete chords, and maybe the arpeggio pattern. Ok?

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Hi Gab!Of course...I played both versions of the chords and I saw the differences.I am rushing again in taking decisions...Next time I will explore more before I post the chords.I think this song is really great since it's based on my weakest point and that is...arppegios. blink.gif I think discovering the pattern is the biggest chalenge but that doesn't scare me...I can do it smile.gif
Just a quick update on the 70's lesson: In the spirit of 70's part 1-2-3

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Hi Vince, how are you?

That RHCP lesson is great! Chords are not tricky, start trying simple stuff and maybe you'll find them soon. The best is to first find the roots, and then try if each chord is minor or major. Finding out the tonality at first, can make things faster to find since you will then know the 7 possible chords of the tonality. (I can share a link to our theory board if you need to read more about tonalities).

There is a software called Amazing Slow downer, do you use it for learning songs by ear?

Regarding the lesson. It's evolving well! Please pay attention to two things in order to fix these parts that you've learnt:

- Try to emulate Sinisa's vibrato. His vibrato is stronger and adds a lot of feeling to the playing. It's very important in this style.

- Check out how he manages the length of the notes and silences on each phrase. He adds a very 70's feeling to his phrasing with this. Try to work on each phrase, listen to his playing and emulate each one. Work on this details, practice over the original lesson to get the most of it.

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