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Gabriel Leopardi
post Jul 8 2014, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (Carmine Marotta @ Jul 8 2014, 11:43 AM) *
I guess that I can not play songs note by note and there is a lot of individuality in there, while lessons should be played like they are

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You mean that you feel more comfortable improvising than playing other people's composition? This sounds reasonable, however it's a good exercise to play cover songs or GMC lessons as they are to improve our technique. The thing is that you have to start slowly, that's why we add slow backing in our lessons and that's also why we divide the slow videos in different parts. You have to work on each parts as an isolated exercise and then work on connections. For example, you can work on part 1 the first day, part 2 the second day, and the third day you can work on connecting both parts. What do you think? Can you see it as possible?



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post Jul 9 2014, 07:24 PM
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Gabi is right smile.gif there's no need to rush anything and what's more, you shouldn't regard the lessons as chores. Once that feeling gets installed, you will resent them and that gap between 'understanding' and 'using into a context' will remain unfilled.

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post Jul 10 2014, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (Carmine Marotta @ Jul 8 2014, 04:43 PM) *
I guess that I can not play songs note by note and there is a lot of individuality in there, while lessons should be played like they are

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I must confess that I never had the patience and dedication to learn all the songs I played with my band, note for note.
But, I also made myself learn a few songs note for note (or as close as possible) and it was really a revelation to me. I mean, when I was learning my own versions of those songs, I passed through and it was ok. But it is like painting a room in white, you can do it relatively quickly and get the job done or you can really get into it and try to do it like professionals do focusing on all the small spots (details). Also, you might want to even watch some tutorials on how to paint or consult reading materials online. What you end up with? Better painted room and a happy wife smile.gif

Same goes with playing, we think we can't but we really can - it is just way more hard to get in the details.
On the other hand, the experience in the end is much more rewarding and it helps to get inspired to practice even more.

That being said, I do agree we can never replicate some other player - but we can get VERY close to it with hard work! smile.gif

Sorry for a long one, that was not actually what I wanted to focus here.

I wanted to share some tips for practicing GMC lessons :

1. Yes - one of the first goals is to learn the lesson note for note. The lessons are focused on teaching different elements in a musical way and in most cases are meant to be learned note for note and focusing on all the details.

2. There is a twist though - in most cases you are expected to build upon what you have learned. This is where the backing tracks come into play. The lead guitar lessons are the perfect example : once you learn the lesson note for note, you should try to apply what you have learned over the backing track in order to come up with your own version of the solo/lesson. How to do this? Re-use the licks you have learned, scale choice, techniques and any other tricks you picked up from the lesson. For start you could just start by mashing up the licks you learned, playing it in different place and adding a few notes/melodies you come up yourself. The notes from the lesson surely teach you what you can play that sound good, now is the time to add a few notes here and there just for the sake of experimentation to see how you can do something similar on your own. No one is looking or judging so you can really be free here to experiment.

I think that "making GMC lessons your own" is the ultimate goal you can strive towards when learning the lessons.
That way you are guaranteed you are taking 110% away from the lessons.

If you'd like to show me a specific lesson (please send me the link), I could try to give you some tips on how to get the most out of it.


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post Jul 10 2014, 09:02 PM
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post Jul 11 2014, 08:12 AM
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Bogdan pointed out a very important aspect here smile.gif

There's a lot of folks asking - Ok, I learn this lesson and then what...

Well, if you regard playing the lesson as the final destination, then, that's it, but if you take what you have learned in the lesson as a conceptual information and you learn how to apply it in your own creations, than you have achieved something which will stay with you for the rest of your life and which can be honed and polished to perfection. Remember, GMC lessons are the embodiment of the saying: 'Life's a journey, not a destination.'

On short, my little scheme in this thread: New info -> understanding -> learning-> assimilating-> reproducing-> using into a context

can be regarded as the resume of learning a GMC lesson smile.gif What do you think Carmine?



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post Jul 11 2014, 08:53 AM
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I feel you on the not learning covers or anything for a long time.

I spent ages just jamming with friends bands and what not but now that I decided to focus on improving diffrent styles sitting down and learning things not for not and pitch perfect has been a HUGE challange. But without challange we don't improve


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post Jul 11 2014, 03:28 PM
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Bogdan's approach is exactly how I use GMC lessons for learning and also how I work on cover songs. I learnt this from an old book based on Steve Vai's style which included tabs, extended backings and theory details behind each solo and progression. This was the first time I took the concepts and the licks but used them to create variations and original licks and solos. I discovered how much more I was getting from this than just learning the songs note by note. I was learning to make music, not to copy. It was an awesome revelation for me.


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post Jul 13 2014, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 11 2014, 02:28 PM) *
Bogdan's approach is exactly how I use GMC lessons for learning and also how I work on cover songs. I learnt this from an old book based on Steve Vai's style which included tabs, extended backings and theory details behind each solo and progression. This was the first time I took the concepts and the licks but used them to create variations and original licks and solos. I discovered how much more I was getting from this than just learning the songs note by note. I was learning to make music, not to copy. It was an awesome revelation for me.


Precisely smile.gif The whole idea is to learn a concept and apply it in your own playing smile.gif For instance, let's take a technique like chicken picking:

- Make a list of players that use it
- Find a lick you like from each of them
- Learn it

And now the big question - How can you change it to make it your own? Let's share some thoughts smile.gif I for one would begin with playing it in a different mode - if for instance, it's originally played in the minor scale, I'd try to adapt it to the major scale. That could be done by playing the lick over a major chord smile.gif



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