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post Jul 11 2014, 12:46 PM
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I'm really looking at creating a new sound for myself and I really like the idea of basing it off something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDO0uef2OZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPn0H0DpTk

Its got a shimmery jangly feeling. So far the most information i can get is Tim skold uses Marshalls, Les Pauls and firebirds

I have a POD HD Pro and more guitars than you can poke a stick at so I should have enough here to make it work.
(or it gives me a good excuse to get more equipment)

Really struggling to get that loose kinda feel to the tone since its the opposite of what I normally do



That and I don't know much about the marshall line of amps, always been more of a Mesa man myself


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post Jul 11 2014, 02:00 PM
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If you want to try and get that sound.

Set up a tone with a nice clean warm sound then try and get it so it has a nice clean attack (will help add that twang). From there look into a boost and a distortion pedal. As for the shimmer effect his effect list seems to have a multi-effect added in, but maybe a light chorus or flanger just slightly mixed in with the tone to color it.

But in all reality who knows how much of that is actually from being mixed/produced. If anything I've learned in the last 3 weeks with Cosmin/Gab is that you can achieve a great tone for live playing but for mixing it's entirely different.


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post Jul 11 2014, 02:08 PM
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oh hell yeah, I'm a wiz in my lil studio. learning how to produce music and mix it is like a whole different kettle of fish. Tho one that does make you a better musician I feel.

I like your method of getting the tone tho. also make it easy to dial back the gain for verses


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post Jul 11 2014, 04:11 PM
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The first vid doesn't sound 'jangly' to me at all so no comment.

In the second one I would say that the guitar is going to be your most important element.
Who knows what he's using on the recording - ? 'If' it really is the Firebird? ... it's a different beast. The body is big but thin and they are generally light guitars. The headstock also contributes to the jangle or twang (like a Fender). And the pickups are probably not 'hot'. Normal output. *It sounds like a Telecaster to me.
However he's getting his overdrive - and it's of course in rec studio for an album - there's not too much of it.

Find one of your guitars that has lower output passive pkups and don't use too much gain.


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post Jul 11 2014, 04:15 PM
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I could see Tim live with Manson and I must say that he has been my favorite guitarist for his band. He sounds industrial, modern but also tasty and warm. His solos and guitar arrangements on that album are killer.

Emulating a guitar sound requires of a lot of experimenting and comparison to be successful. Knowing the real brands and models that they use is a good first step because you will get a closer color very fast. In this case you know that he is using Marshall amps so I would start with some Marshall emulations from your Pod to see if the tone color get similar. I suspect that he is using a tube screamer before the amp section and also reverb and/or delay to make the guitar sounds bigger. Both things (tube screamer & effects) can be emulated perfectly with your Pod.

I invite you to start experimenting with this and post samples here that I can check and comment to help you with this search. Doing this experimentation by yourself will be a great training for your ears, and with practice you will get the tones that you want faster each day.



PS: That video with the drummer (is him Josh Freese?) is great!


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post Jul 11 2014, 04:24 PM
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Its steve perkins who plays form janes addiction

Yeah Tim Skold was a big influance on me wanting to play more melodic.

anyway thats my fun for the weekend, I'm gonna try make that tone. And then try and tweak it to make it my own


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post Jul 11 2014, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 11 2014, 03:11 PM) *
The first vid doesn't sound 'jangly' to me at all so no comment.

In the second one I would say that the guitar is going to be your most important element.
Who knows what he's using on the recording - ? 'If' it really is the Firebird? ... it's a different beast. The body is big but thin and they are generally light guitars. The headstock also contributes to the jangle or twang (like a Fender). And the pickups are probably not 'hot'. Normal output. *It sounds like a Telecaster to me.
However he's getting his overdrive - and it's of course in rec studio for an album - there's not too much of it.

Find one of your guitars that has lower output passive pkups and don't use too much gain.


Sorry, but I think you should stop spreading misinformation - the headstock contributes to jangle or twang?!?! Do you have ANY evidence to back up that claim?

From my experience, Firebird mini humbuckers are definitely right for a brighter, more "biting" distortion, which I think is a more apt way to describe it than jangle or twang. And Firebird mini hums are notoriously quite a bit hotter than LP mini hums, for example.

Mith, check out some of the clips I did with a Gibson Firebird with similar mini-buckers awhile back: http://sixstringsamurai.co.nz/2013/07/09/g...io-70s-tribute/

If you have a mini-hum or P90 equipped guitar, that might get you a little bit closer.


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post Jul 11 2014, 11:25 PM
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It's an old discussion/debate.
I think all the weird stuff about Firebirds - banjo tuners, headstock, thin but large body, raised strip down the center, mini-hums, where the neck joins the body - make it singularly unique and IME usually more articulate than an LP or SG or 335. Depending on what you're trying to accomplish or what you want - that can be good or bad.

I'll call it more of a open and ringing tone instead of jangly. The backwards (reverse) headstock, with that really long stretch of low E and A behind the nut can do all kinda weird (good weird IMO) to the timbre of the instrument.

This is a very good read regarding string length (both opened and closed), tone production and pitch ... http://www.amazon.com/Horns-Strings-Harmon...s/dp/0486273318

Firebirds are a one-of-a-kind Gibson and the (unique for Gibson) behind nut string length in my experience contributes a lot to the harmonic complexity of chords/notes.
*Same for a longer string travel past the bridge with guitars like Jaguars and and Jazzmasters - there's a lot of string in front of the nut on Firebird and after the bridge on a Jazz or Jag. It all affects the timbre, harmonics and the fundamentals of the notes and chords.

Gibson Firebird and Trini Lopez guitars with the six-in-line (ala Fender) headstock are usually a brighter, cutting and more open sounding machine. Length, thickness, veneer and 'break' angle of the headstock also affects the sustain ... or lack thereof. Firebirds generally have a lot of sustain with the neck thru design. The Trini, being hollow - not so much.
Sure a Firebird (like a tele) can get huge and fat sounding (with or w/o HBs).
My point is just that getting 'jangle' is easier with that type of guitar. Firebirds are less of a mainstay with the heavier players than they are with blues, pop, slide and alt. guys. Same for the hollow Trini Lopez - jazz guys never dug them (too bright) but pop rockers (ala Dave Grohl and Jesse Tobias from Morrissey) seem to really like them.

And as you say the mini hums are also a big part of it.
If that's even the guitar in the recording - ?

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post Jul 14 2014, 02:52 AM
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Well I've gotten something close to it. At least along the same vibe. Just working on how to make it a bit more efficiant since atm its taking up all my slots and I would like some extra for lead stuff.

Will share soon.


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