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post Jul 18 2014, 04:14 PM
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As much as I love Neil that whole Pono thing just sounds like snake oil to me.
IMO he's definitely 'spitting into the wind' as Todd says.

*As atavistic as I may seem, I also have no desire to go back to wax cylinders and one crappy mic again ala Jack white and Neil Young, lol!

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post Jul 18 2014, 04:26 PM
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Just to be cynical (what me cynical ohmy.gif ) I have to wonder how much Neil can hear anyway given how many years he's spent on stage at high volume during the years when many of us did little to protect our hearing...


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post Jul 18 2014, 06:47 PM
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Though not absolutely scientific I have compared FLAC and recent issue, 180 gram vinyl on a fairly audiophile stereo system.
They both sounded great! *And IMO as a long time music listener, noticeably superior to an mp3 - no contest actually. I can't imagine anyone (musician or layperson) not noticing or acknowledging the better quality.
A little more emphasis on the very low end and high ends with the lossless FLAC files and a little more punch in the mids with the high quality 180 gram vinyl but neither was 'better'. Just different.


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post Jul 18 2014, 07:18 PM
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gree with your findings there Ken. I've always found that mp3s lose a lot of low end fine detail. In a way you'd think there would be some compensation from not having to dither as you transcode from the 24 bit file but you still lose quiet audio and fine detail. Top end I often find a harsh and brittle and with what I think is quite a pronounced roll off quite some way before 1/2 nyquist. The other discernable differences that I find is that mp3s seem a lttle lifeless when compared to a good audiophile vinyl release. There's less of what I would term rhythmic drive and movement (and I'm not talking about wow and flutter from a poor turntable motor or excessive drag on the stylus from a poor vinyl lathe cut). MP3s also seem to me to be rather dynamically flat even if done with a high end 320 CBR.

One other thing to consider is that many/all of us start to lose the top end of what we can hear frequency wise as we age. So you go from a theoretical 20-20kHz when you are young to a more restricted range as you age. I tested mine recently and I sit at 20-17.5kHz. Rather oddly a lot of younger people who did the test at the same time couldn't hear below about 50Hz. Again not scientific and not statisitically checked but the sample was a pool of sound engineers, musicians and producers.


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post Jul 18 2014, 07:49 PM
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No offense taken smile.gif I'm with you all the way. I think they are trying to spin off and isolate a chunk of the market segment that doesn't really exist anymore. But I guess we will see how it all turns out. I think it's gonna be a huge bust.

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By the way - none of my rant is aimed at you Todd - I'm just irritated at the amount of ill conceived drivel that has surrounded the media hype for pono.



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Yes, very true Todd, given the rise of streaming that ship may well have sailed long ago.


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post Jul 18 2014, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 18 2014, 11:18 AM) *
One other thing to consider is that many/all of us start to lose the top end of what we can hear frequency wise as we age. So you go from a theoretical 20-20kHz when you are young to a more restricted range as you age. I tested mine recently and I sit at 20-17.5kHz. Rather oddly a lot of younger people who did the test at the same time couldn't hear below about 50Hz. Again not scientific and not statisitically checked but the sample was a pool of sound engineers, musicians and producers.


I'm right at 'normal' for my age range (52). So a little top end loss ... which is surprising given how much loud music I've been around and that I still play relatively loudly a couple times a month.



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The bit that surprised me Ken was that it was mainly younger (late 20s to eary 30s) producers and engineers who couldn't hear low frequencies particularly well. There's not enough evidence to validate this but I wonder if it's in some way connected to listening to audio on earbuds a lot.

Just like you I've spent a lot of time years ago with audio at high levels so I was expecting more high frequency loss than I actually have. There were quite a few people who couldn't hear above 8kHz ohmy.gif .


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 19 2014, 03:51 AM) *
The bit that surprised me Ken was that it was mainly younger (late 20s to eary 30s) producers and engineers who couldn't hear low frequencies particularly well.


I have been told that although a blast of high frequency can be painful, it's generally not that dangerous to your hearing (within reason). But extended and high volume, low end information can result in hearing loss. Though what I was told is that the constant exposure to loud low end actually affects your high end hearing ability.


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