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Gabriel Leopardi
post Aug 12 2014, 07:23 PM
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Hello guys! This time I have a question for you. I've been searching for good midi drum tracks in styles like rock, metal and all the sub genres but I haven't find something cool. I use to create cooler riffs when I'm jamming over interesting drum grooves so that's why I want to have a good library of grooves. If you don't know where to find midi but audio please post the links by the way... wink.gif

Do you know where I can find it?


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post Aug 12 2014, 08:02 PM
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Hey Gab,

There are a couple of things you can do. If you can think of a beat that is familiar to a real song - do a search for that song's midi file online, then download and you can easily change bits and pieces to make it fit.

Also, I have purchased quite a few bundles from Groove Monkey. They have some killer off-time stuff. All these midi notes can be used with EZ Drummer too.

http://groovemonkee.com/collections/midi-loops

Here's another good site - this is for the page full of Tool songs...

http://www.free-midi.org/midi/t/tool/

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post Aug 12 2014, 09:45 PM
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The expansion packs offered by TOON TRACK are quite good. They are only about $25 euros each. Have you checked out the toon track site? They offer wads of midi packs. www.toontrack.com


QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 12 2014, 02:23 PM) *
Hello guys! This time I have a question for you. I've been searching for good midi drum tracks in styles like rock, metal and all the sub genres but I haven't find something cool. I use to create cooler riffs when I'm jamming over interesting drum grooves so that's why I want to have a good library of grooves. If you don't know where to find midi but audio please post the links by the way... wink.gif

Do you know where I can find it?



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post Aug 13 2014, 05:37 PM
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Check out oddgrooves.com

They send out a free groove every month if you sign up to their email list too


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QUOTE (Spock @ Aug 12 2014, 04:02 PM) *
Hey Gab,

There are a couple of things you can do. If you can think of a beat that is familiar to a real song - do a search for that song's midi file online, then download and you can easily change bits and pieces to make it fit.

Also, I have purchased quite a few bundles from Groove Monkey. They have some killer off-time stuff. All these midi notes can be used with EZ Drummer too.

http://groovemonkee.com/collections/midi-loops

Here's another good site - this is for the page full of Tool songs...

http://www.free-midi.org/midi/t/tool/



yeah, I used to download song midi files but nowadays I don't find really good quality ones. I will check the links that you shared. Thank you!

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 12 2014, 05:45 PM) *
The expansion packs offered by TOON TRACK are quite good. They are only about $25 euros each. Have you checked out the toon track site? They offer wads of midi packs. www.toontrack.com



No, I haven't. I'll do it in a moment. Thanks Todd!


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Check out oddgrooves.com

They send out a free groove every month if you sign up to their email list too



Interesting, thanks mate! wink.gif


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Yea Gab - all these midis I'm suggesting you run them through the EZ Drummer expansion packs. Like Drum Kit From Hell, Metal Heads, and Metal Machines...

These are the kits they've recorded for the midi notes...

http://www.toontrack.com/product-category/ezdrummerline/

My favorite kit is MetalHeads - the green one.



So regardless of how cheesy the original midi sounds, as long as the track the midi is on is assigned to the EZ Drummer expansion pack - it will sound like that kit.

Check this vid out - EZ Drummer playing Absolute Zero by Stone Sour

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QUOTE (Spock @ Aug 12 2014, 08:02 PM) *
Also, I have purchased quite a few bundles from Groove Monkey. They have some killer off-time stuff. All these midi notes can be used with EZ Drummer too.

http://groovemonkee.com/collections/midi-loops


this site is pretty awesome. I didnt know you could add this kind of thing into ez drummer! I just installed the free pack and its really good. you get a very decent amount with it.
Im totally buying the progressive pack.... and a bunch of others probably smile.gif

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QUOTE (Spock @ Aug 13 2014, 07:05 PM) *
Yea Gab - all these midis I'm suggesting you run them through the EZ Drummer expansion packs. Like Drum Kit From Hell, Metal Heads, and Metal Machines...

These are the kits they've recorded for the midi notes...

http://www.toontrack.com/product-category/ezdrummerline/

My favorite kit is MetalHeads - the green one.



So regardless of how cheesy the original midi sounds, as long as the track the midi is on is assigned to the EZ Drummer expansion pack - it will sound like that kit.

Check this vid out - EZ Drummer playing Absolute Zero by Stone Sour




yeah! this is how I used to do it. I will search for some midi files at google to see if I find good rock/metal ones. Do you know any site where you can find good quality midi songs?


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post Aug 20 2014, 01:42 PM
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One interesting way that I find to write drum grooves is to write polymetric rythms having say a x/16 pattern in the hi-hats/cymbals with a z/16 pattern in the bass drum and a 4/4 in the snare. Probably not something for your drummer to play unless he's/she's a proper beast, but something I guess it could be possibly. Here is an example file.

First it's 13/16 over 5/16 over 4/4, and then 9/16 over 7/16 over 4/4:

Attached File  Math_Drum_Grooves.gp5 ( 4.92K ) Number of downloads: 28


Of course, this might be more math than music, but it creates some interesting patterns at least.


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post Aug 20 2014, 02:24 PM
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The groove that you've got with this technique is very interesting. Don't worry about applying some math to composition, it's very applicable to rhythm patterns in progressive styles. I'm sure that guys from bands like Periphery, Protest the hero and Tool work use to work on drums in this way.

As we are talking about cool progressive drums, have you ever seen this video?




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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 20 2014, 03:24 PM) *
The groove that you've got with this technique is very interesting. Don't worry about applying some math to composition, it's very applicable to rhythm patterns in progressive styles. I'm sure that guys from bands like Periphery, Protest the hero and Tool work use to work on drums in this way.

As we are talking about cool progressive drums, have you ever seen this video?



Hadn't seen that. Nice video!

How about these two, Gabriel? You seen these? There are some good tips in here:





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Speaking of Tool - I just read this morning where Adam Jones opened up a little about the law suit they have been going through for the past few years which has tied up the new album.

He also said that they have been using 7/4 time signatures - I can't wait to hear it.

http://loudwire.com/tool-guitarist-adam-jo...t-frustrations/
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QUOTE (Spock @ Aug 20 2014, 03:39 PM) *
Speaking of Tool - I just read this morning where Adam Jones opened up a little about the law suit they have been going through for the past few years which has tied up the new album.

He also said that they have been using 7/4 time signatures - I can't wait to hear it.

http://loudwire.com/tool-guitarist-adam-jo...t-frustrations/


I've never heard much Tool, but aren't they generally using all kinds of odd time signatures? At least "Schism" kinda jumps to mind when it comes to odd time signatures.

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 20 2014, 10:38 AM) *
Hadn't seen that. Nice video!

How about these two, Gabriel? You seen these? There are some good tips in here:






Fantastic videos man! I just watched the first minute and I decided to bookmark it to see it deeply later. Thanks for sharing.

QUOTE (Spock @ Aug 20 2014, 10:39 AM) *
Speaking of Tool - I just read this morning where Adam Jones opened up a little about the law suit they have been going through for the past few years which has tied up the new album.

He also said that they have been using 7/4 time signatures - I can't wait to hear it.

http://loudwire.com/tool-guitarist-adam-jo...t-frustrations/



Oh, this was the real reason why we don't have Tool album finished! I'm glad to know that they finally could solve it.


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I've never heard much Tool, but aren't they generally using all kinds of odd time signatures? At least "Schism" kinda jumps to mind when it comes to odd time signatures.



You need to listen to tool man!!



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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 20 2014, 03:57 PM) *
Fantastic videos man! I just watched the first minute and I decided to bookmark it to see it deeply later. Thanks for sharing.


Yeah, I really like his approach and explanations smile.gif

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I know, I know. I really like A Perfect Circle, so I don't know why I've never gotten into Tool!


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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 20 2014, 11:06 AM) *
Yeah, I really like his approach and explanations smile.gif



I know, I know. I really like A Perfect Circle, so I don't know why I've never gotten into Tool!



yeah, I'm more fan of APC, but Tool, they are epic!


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 22 2014, 05:41 AM) *
yeah, I'm more fan of APC, but Tool, they are epic!


Man to get the APC guitar tone, I would kill for it. Maybe when I upgrade my POD HD rig to an AXEFX2 lol


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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 20 2014, 09:38 AM) *
Hadn't seen that. Nice video!

How about these two, Gabriel? You seen these? There are some good tips in here:





His videos are great, it explained a bunch of questions I had. One major difference I see is how in Logic Pro the piano roll is how you write but all of the keys are just keys. I really like the idea of having the drums named. Anyone change the appearance or setting to get logic to behave that way?
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