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post Jul 16 2007, 11:48 AM
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I sent Choochooman a PM and explained it to him and i think he understood me so we solved the issue among two of us! smile.gif


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post Jul 16 2007, 12:26 PM
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I totally understand where Pavel is coming from here, and I apologize If he feels that I've crossed the border into what is unacceptable to discuss or make fun of.

I suppose I was looking at the whole issue under the mentality that it was never going to be something I had to consider, or consider for many years to come, I took the whole topic under the pretense that it was aimed at us for fun as I don't like to take it as a serious issue when I feel I have so much left to discover.

I'm not sure "video game mentality" or upbringing have anything to do with my answers, I am thoroughly aware of the differences between polygons and real people, and indeed I know many people that have died.

I guess it is something I don't like discussing in all seriousness because like most young people I'm of the mentality that I'm, for want of a better word, "invincible", I don't want to believe that I too could have an end so I take the question the only other way I can, which is to make fun of it.

I hope everyone understands that I did not mean to offend anyone with my answer.


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post Jul 16 2007, 12:55 PM
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HAHA, man, i'm going to have to agree with Pavel on this a little. i know it was started to be a fun topic, but it does come across as a little morbid at first glance. personally i don't know if i could choose something too serious for my funeral though. i aske my wife after reading this and here response was "Oh God!?!?" but on to the question.....i think it would have to be a song that always made me laugh and would make everyone who's there laugh. so i think mine would be "Long-Haired Redneck" by David Allen Coe.
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post Jul 16 2007, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE (Kaneda @ Jul 16 2007, 05:51 AM) *
Not really sure if it has anything to do with culture, age or "videogame mentality". Although I'm a Western European and only 29 years old, I've seen more senseless death up close than I'd care to in a lifetime. But in the end, talking about death, even making fun of it, is the closest thing to a "defense" people have. Censoring such speech will do no good. mellow.gif

Everyone draws their line a different place - mine is drawn where we start making fun of a tragic event - even then it depends on the context. I don't see a problem with this thread - actually I think it's a healthy discussion, whether people take it as fun or give it serious contemplation. But different people will have different lines, and I totally understand Pavel's point of view. I'll also have to agree with ch00ch00man, though - the moment we start filtering out threads like this, we're already moving in a very wrong direction.


Great perspective Kaneda - there was never any question of censoring this thread. In my opinion discussions like this are fine as long as they are conducted with sensitivity and respect to all involved.


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post Jul 16 2007, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Jul 15 2007, 08:07 PM) *
And third: 17-20 years old kids talking about death is totally stupid!


This is an interesting topic. With all of the death metal out there these days, it's fans and all of the things that it represents - death, hell, blood, gore, screaming, etc. - it's no wonder why 17-20 year olds discuss it.
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post Jul 16 2007, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (jeff @ Jul 16 2007, 02:53 PM) *
This is an interesting topic. With all of the death metal out there these days, it's fans and all of the things that it represents - death, hell, blood, gore, screaming, etc. - it's no wonder why 17-20 year olds discuss it.


this is true.
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post Jul 16 2007, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Jul 15 2007, 07:57 PM) *
never thought about it...But i think mine would be:

The Call of Ktulu by Metallica
Amen to that!;)


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post Jul 16 2007, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE (Anastasio123 @ Jul 16 2007, 01:39 PM) *
Agreed


i love the Call of Ktulu, and it also remembers me of Orion, which was played at Cliff's memorial place. RIP Cliff.


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post Jul 16 2007, 09:44 PM
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Not being able to talk about what songs you want played on your funeral just makes fear of death worse, it makes death sound unnatural, and that would be horrible.

Anyways, I'd pick either Waltz# 2 by Elliott Smith or To Bid You Farewell by Opeth, bot really beautiful songs, Waltz# 2 is my favourite of the two songs, but To Bid You Farewell has lyrics that fits way better..


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post Jul 17 2007, 03:37 AM
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QUOTE (jeff @ Jul 16 2007, 02:53 PM) *
This is an interesting topic. With all of the death metal out there these days, it's fans and all of the things that it represents - death, hell, blood, gore, screaming, etc. - it's no wonder why 17-20 year olds discuss it.


You think All Death Metal represents Death, Hell, Blood, Gore, Screaming?

I dont mean to offend you but you've kinda offend me, Dont speak or judge what you obviously know nothing of.

I could go on a giant rant of how you are wrong, but i dont wanna start any fights, trust me when i say Death Metal doesnt represent all the things you think it does. Some bands may sing about it yes, but in these bands, Like say, Cannibal Corpse, the fans know that the point is the music as a whole, not just the lyrics, and to make an entire judgement of a genre based on a select few bands, is Wrong.

I think a better judgement of why 17-20 year olds might discuss death is because there surrounded by it in the media, news or whatever, were in a constant state of war, you hear about suicide bombing, soldiers dying, ect. Im not saying this is why, im saying it makes more sense

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post Jul 17 2007, 04:55 AM
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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Jul 16 2007, 08:37 PM) *
You think All Death Metal represents Death, Hell, Blood, Gore, Screaming?

I dont mean to offend you but you've kinda offend me, Dont speak or judge what you obviously know nothing of.

I could go on a giant rant of how you are wrong, but i dont wanna start any fights, trust me when i say Death Metal doesnt represent all the things you think it does. Some bands may sing about it yes, but in these bands, Like say, Cannibal Corpse, the fans know that the point is the music as a whole, not just the lyrics, and to make an entire judgement of a genre based on a select few bands, is Wrong.

I think a better judgement of why 17-20 year olds might discuss death is because there surrounded by it in the media, news or whatever, were in a constant state of war, you hear about suicide bombing, soldiers dying, ect. Im not saying this is why, im saying it makes more sense


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post Jul 17 2007, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Jul 16 2007, 03:51 PM) *
i love the Call of Ktulu, and it also remembers me of Orion, which was played at Cliff's memorial place. RIP Cliff.


Yea RIP Cliff, great bass player, and one of the few great artists who didn't ruin his life with drugs (his driver i guess did tho) sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

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You think All Death Metal represents Death, Hell, Blood, Gore, Screaming?

I dont mean to offend you but you've kinda offend me, Dont speak or judge what you obviously know nothing of.

I could go on a giant rant of how you are wrong, but i dont wanna start any fights, trust me when i say Death Metal doesnt represent all the things you think it does. Some bands may sing about it yes, but in these bands, Like say, Cannibal Corpse, the fans know that the point is the music as a whole, not just the lyrics, and to make an entire judgement of a genre based on a select few bands, is Wrong.

I think a better judgement of why 17-20 year olds might discuss death is because there surrounded by it in the media, news or whatever, were in a constant state of war, you hear about suicide bombing, soldiers dying, ect. Im not saying this is why, im saying it makes more sense


Good point Uncreator, this is a reason why your a senior member and other people here aren't. Honestly Death Metal is just a genre OF MUSIC not necessarily ideals. Although death, black, and yes ogres lol fit into it nicely, that doesn't mean every death metal song has those themes to it. Afterall, a lot of people listen to death metal and if that was all that it talked about, we'd probably get bored of it by now. I know I sure as hell aint. Death metal isone of the only genre where you can listen to great musicianship, songwriting, and just music in general while at the same time pissing off all those jazz snobs who call Dimebag overrated and Vai a one-trick-pony.

Oh Yea, nothing against Jazz but there are a lot of ignorant people who think they know everything about anything who listen to jazz. Just from experience smile.gif


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post Jul 18 2007, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Jul 16 2007, 09:37 PM) *
You think All Death Metal represents Death, Hell, Blood, Gore, Screaming?

I dont mean to offend you but you've kinda offend me, Dont speak or judge what you obviously know nothing of.

I could go on a giant rant of how you are wrong, but i dont wanna start any fights, trust me when i say Death Metal doesnt represent all the things you think it does. Some bands may sing about it yes, but in these bands, Like say, Cannibal Corpse, the fans know that the point is the music as a whole, not just the lyrics, and to make an entire judgement of a genre based on a select few bands, is Wrong.

I think a better judgement of why 17-20 year olds might discuss death is because there surrounded by it in the media, news or whatever, were in a constant state of war, you hear about suicide bombing, soldiers dying, ect. Im not saying this is why, im saying it makes more sense



Sorry for offending you. No I don't think that all Death Metal represents those things. I should clarify my point by saying that the branding of this type of music might leave others with the impression of just those things that I pointed out.

Its theme is marketed to people through the graphics/CD covers, Internet sites, videos and even band names that might lead someone to infer that death can become a topic of discussion or thought with this type of music. It's that simple. I don't agree or disagree with it, it's just a fact. I didn't create it, I'm just pointing it out.

I understand what you mean and I apologize for giving you the impression that I mean all Death Metal is about death. I don't want to imply that at all and I don't mean to disrespect anyone who listens to it. If I have, that was not the intent of my posting.

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On another note, there is no need to get personal. You know nothing about me and I haven't said anything about you. If you are so inclined to go on a giant rant of how someone is wrong, then make sure you are right first, and also understand that everyone has their own perspective on all things. I welcome your thoughts in a constructive manner.
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SICK topic but Dream on played by DIO and Yngwie Malmsteen! blink.gif


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I'm rather ambivalent about the thread. Like Hemlock I've had the sad task of going to several funerals in the last few months ranging from both my wife's parents and her great uncle through to two friends who committed suicide. Not a nice time. However like Hemlock we (my wife, her family and me) were asked about what music to play at the individual funerals for her parents. Her father had specified something whilst her mother had not and that then became another, at the time, upsetting but eventually cathartic thing to deal with. So because of this part of me has no problem with this thread - it can be useful to think and discuss and even plan aspects about our own death/funeral rites.

However, and as I said, I am ambivalent; I accept that death remains as a a deeply emotive, problematic, traumatic and culturally bound phenomenon and one that may well be extremely personal. (Also there was nothing cathartic about the suicides - just deeply painful for those left behind sad.gif . Perhaps here I empathise with Pavel - death is no subject for the young and perhaps we should all remain too young for it - there is, to me, nothing positive about a life taken, wasted, or lost too soon. Echoes of Yates' 'Sailing to Byzantium'...)

I'm in the somewhat strange position of doing academic research that includes an understanding of death - its a very complicated and subjective issue and perhaps not one to be discussed lightly. Against that however if (and its a big if) we don't discuss funerals then what happens? Death and funerals still occur we just don't talk about them...

There is a comment from Jacques Derrida about the power of the secret - its power lies in that everyone knows the secret but no one reveals either the secret or that they know it. There is thus a denial and a refusal - similarly his comment should Christ reappear on earth the only correct response to Christ would be 'When will you come?' (because we will fail and refuse to recognise his return...) On this subject Derrida's 'Circumfession' is a wonderfully poignant read (partly about his fear that he will be outlived by his mother...)

A related concept from Georges Bataille concerns the accursed share - what we deny often does not go away, it may fester and grow until the point where it manifests itself catastrophically. For Bataille the celebration of Mardi Gras - a release and opening towards, rather than refusal/denial of, death helps us cope with it rather than it festering away in the dark...

Nonetheless we still need (especially me) to show sensitivity to each other. I managed to upset my sister-in-law before my mother-in-law's funeral - on such a difficult and emotive subject and time- by suggesting that the CoE vicar for the funeral was insensitive to the family. (Sister-in-law's husband is also a CoE vicar and I'm a lapsed RC - she took my comment as a slight on her Church unsure.gif .) As I say difficult, very, very difficult terrain. One that I'm at present ambivalent about.

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QUOTE (jeff @ Jul 18 2007, 06:28 PM) *
On another note, there is no need to get personal. You know nothing about me and I haven't said anything about you. If you are so inclined to go on a giant rant of how someone is wrong, then make sure you are right first, and also understand that everyone has their own perspective on all things. I welcome your thoughts in a constructive manner.


When you say something like that, it HIGHLY Suggets you dont know anything of the subject i wasnt getting personal, atleast i didnt intend to, i was making a point that you "Seemed" to be speaking of something you have no knowledge of, of which i was saying you shouldnt do. I to, should have clarified my thoughts.

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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Jul 19 2007, 06:17 PM) *
When you say something like that, it HIGHLY Suggets you dont know anything of the subject i wasnt getting personal, atleast i didnt intend to, i was making a point that you "Seemed" to be speaking of something you have no knowledge of, of which i was saying you shouldnt do. I to, should have clarified my thoughts.

Its water under the bridge, No hard feelings.



Yeah man I agree. Water under the bridge! Sorry for everything - don't want to get off on the wrong foot! smile.gif I hate arguing anyway - it sucks!!! I need to keep that in mind. But yeah, No hard feelings - ok!

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Am I the only one who seriously think this isn't a sick topic? I for one don't want to live my entire life being scared of death, so therefore I don't mind talking about what I want played at my funeral, death is a part of life, live with it.

(Sorry if I offend someone, I don't mean to, but as this topic seems to be very sensetive to some, I might have done so in my post without thinking.)


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QUOTE (Fsgdjv @ Jul 19 2007, 06:28 PM) *
Am I the only one who seriously think this isn't a sick topic? I for one don't want to live my entire life being scared of death, so therefore I don't mind talking about what I want played at my funeral, death is a part of life, live with it.

(Sorry if I offend someone, I don't mean to, but as this topic seems to be very sensetive to some, I might have done so in my post without thinking.)

Less time posting about "death", and more time what we are put on this earth to do...p-l-a-y biggrin.gif g-u-i-t-a-r
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