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post Aug 30 2017, 09:01 PM
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Ok, here's my analysis of Velvet Revolver's Slither:

- What's the relationship between the main riff and the verse?
Same riff but muted (except for last two note unmuted accent), some single note riff overdubs.

- What's the relationship between the main riff and the pre-chorus?
They are the same riff, pre-chorus 2 bars

- What's the relationship between the main riff and the chorus?
Chorus is D,C,G,D backing chords with single note main riff overdub. The first/last chord of chorus is D which is the starting note of the main riff, D. The chords are each held for 2 bars. Snare drum hits every 4 beats, instead of every 1, a much slower groove. Total chorus length, 8 bars.


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post Aug 31 2017, 02:27 PM
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Nice! I assume that you are starting to have the map of the song in your mind much clearer. Have you checked analized this in other songs?


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post Aug 31 2017, 02:29 PM
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No, that was the first song I analyzed, but yes I am getting the feel for the song structure. I think I'm overthinking it all to some degree. Should I keep analyzing songs, or is there another next step?


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QUOTE (yoncopin @ Aug 31 2017, 10:29 AM) *
No, that was the first song I analyzed, but yes I am getting the feel for the song structure. I think I'm overthinking it all to some degree. Should I keep analyzing songs, or is there another next step?



I've been doing this for 15 years, and I'm still going... does it answer your question? biggrin.gif

Let's analize 2 more at least before moving on...

mm did I say 15? I think that 20...


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post Sep 18 2017, 02:05 PM
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Ok, admission time.... it's now been two weeks since our last exchange. Granted, I have been busy (true but still an excuse). I asked for your help and you gave it, and I am very grateful, but if I'm being honest I've come to realize something about myself. I don't think I actually want to write songs bad enough to put in the real work to get better at it. I've been avoiding this assignment now long enough. I think I'm ok with just improving my playing rather than my writing. I've come to realize that they are completely separate activities, while for the longest time I thought you needed to write to progress on the guitar. I think I'm going to return to learning some lessons, it's really what I enjoy and I find motivation to do that comes easy. Sorry if I disappoint...


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Hi mate,

I agree that it seems that this are like two separate worlds, but at the same time, I also think that everything is related so no matter if you dedicate time to practice, improvise or compose, you are building your own voice as a musician. Every person is different and that's why we have so many voices, and so many differeng music styles. Maybe you don't enjoy songwriting, but you like improvisation, maybe you preffer re-arranging songs and play them with your style, who knows... everything is valid and welcome.

What I know from my experience is that composition can be trained and it can take a lot of hard work to compose stuff that we are proud of... but it's nothing different to guitar playing which also requires a lot of practice.

The secret is to enjoy the journey, so I think that being honest with yourself is the key to move forward.

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Hi Gabe,
I started trying to transcribe that Richie Faulkner solo (video below). I got the first few bars pretty quick, but when he starts doing the unison bends on 14 I started to think he may have his guitar tuned down? The opening E chord seems different sounding than when I play it too, but he's using the whammy bar to rise into it so I'm not sure. I was wondering if you could tell?



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Hi mate, yes, he is using flat tuning, everything is "b". Is that what you are asking?


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So Eb standard tuning?

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 8 2017, 11:02 AM) *
Hi mate, yes, he is using flat tuning, everything is "b". Is that what you are asking?



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QUOTE (yoncopin @ Nov 8 2017, 12:03 PM) *
So Eb standard tuning?



Yes, I've been playing along with the solo. There are many great licks there!



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Thanks! That helped a lot smile.gif


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QUOTE (yoncopin @ Nov 9 2017, 10:25 AM) *
Thanks! That helped a lot smile.gif



Keep me updated, and let me know if any lick becomes impossible to recognize.


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Here's the opening and the first phrases. I obviously can't play it well at all, but I think the notes are right? I unblocked my Ibanez trem to learn this one, I have never used one so I have a lot to learn. I think I'm playing the right notes, but it almost doesn't even sound like the same song, maybe just because I can't really play it.

Edit: I'm going to leave this video here, but I got this audio into my DAW and realized some notes were wrong. Plus, I got the tempo aligned (135bpm) and am already playing better than in the video. My comment about it not sounding like the same song is improving.



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Hi mate! Great to see you playing this!

Yeah, I note that there are things that are different, but it's getting there. The main difference is related to rhythm of some phrases, so I think that it would be better to practice over metronome, or maybe create a backing track, in different tempos. You could also play along with the youtube audio and slow it down (there is an option at youtube).



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