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post Dec 14 2014, 05:18 AM
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Hi Gmc.

Nowadays i´m thinking the posibility to buy a sound to work in different options to perform.

1. acoustic performance.
2. like a duo or trio.
3. like a band.

what setting do you recomend me to each perform?

in the first i was thinking to buy a portable system by fender. any other posibility?

like a band i was thinking to buy 2 cabinets JBL or Yamaha.... a mixer..... microphones... etc.

maybe could be a good idea replace the mixer and using an interfaz to manage with a digital mixer and using plugins.....

may you show me some examples to set?

thanks!


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post Dec 14 2014, 07:02 AM
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Have a look at the Behringer X32 Compact it's an affordable digital mixer but they have done a superb job on it, great functionality and bussing and effects. Lots of venues and bands use the bigger X32.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov13/arti...x32-compact.htm


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post Dec 14 2014, 02:07 PM
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A close friend of mine just bought one. He's truly satisfied with his X32. So I add +1 for PosterBoy smile.gif


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post Dec 15 2014, 04:43 PM
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It all depends on what budget you have and what gigging perspective you see, in order to know how long it will take until you will recover your investment at least. If you will be partnering with at least one guy more, to perform as a duo, see if you can split the costs for the equipment and recover it faster due to the duo possibilities (more interesting performances and more networking) - that's how I'd see it smile.gif


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post Dec 15 2014, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (Osedmen @ Dec 14 2014, 05:18 AM) *
Hi Gmc.

Nowadays i´m thinking the posibility to buy a sound to work in different options to perform.

1. acoustic performance.
2. like a duo or trio.
3. like a band.

what setting do you recomend me to each perform?

in the first i was thinking to buy a portable system by fender. any other posibility?

like a band i was thinking to buy 2 cabinets JBL or Yamaha.... a mixer..... microphones... etc.

maybe could be a good idea replace the mixer and using an interfaz to manage with a digital mixer and using plugins.....

may you show me some examples to set?

thanks!


A typical setup I see in cafes for acoustic gigs (2 or 3 people) usually consist of :

1. Powered mixer (such as : Behringer PMP560M)
2. 2 Speakers (passive ones which fit the power of the mixer)
3. Mics/cables etc

I think the setup above is flexible. Another option is to get powered speakers and then you don't need a powered mixer, just a regular one.

Using a computer to mix the audio should also work if you have a nice audio interface on it and you are sure it won't produce latency or something. In this case you could just go for 2 active PA speakers if I'm not mistaken (someone correct me?) and connect your audio card to the speakers directly. As they are powered speakers, you'll need to also plug them into electricity power source.

My suggestion would be to start small and go for a budget option for start and then sell/buy new stuff as your needs grow. Also in many cafes you'll get to use their in house speakers system so that it one factor to consider. I'd suggest getting a solid vocals mic though from start, usually shure sm58 works well for live purposes.

Please let me know if you have any follow up questions, I'll be glad to help smile.gif


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post Dec 16 2014, 11:21 AM
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Bogdan is right - you need to be able to quickly sell the gear if you want to upgrade. But then again, you might want to take into consideration my idea as well and see what possibilities you would have, if you find someone else to invest with you. It's always easier to be on your own and not have any other individual investing with you - I had business experiences which turned people I thought as friends into people I didn't want to have anything to do with them anymore.

About the mic - I tried the Beta 58 from Shure at my last gig and I enjoyed it - but each type of voice is complemented by a certain mic type. I think you should experiment a bit with some, if you can and see which one is the best for you.


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post Dec 17 2014, 11:35 AM
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Just a few words about the Beta 58. It's great, bright mic wit a lot of presence that makes cristal sounding vocals but....very often it's giving You feedback at much smaller volumes than sm58. You have to try for Yourself. If the band is relatively quiet to the voice emission level You'll probably get no issues. Otherwise You'll not be able to set enough vocal volume in the monitors to hear properly. It's mostly about playing in small halls etc. SM58 in this case is more safe mic. Like I said...You have to match it to Your musical projects but if You decide to buy beta and have problems like I said, You'll at least know where to search for the problem


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post Dec 17 2014, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 17 2014, 10:35 AM) *
Just a few words about the Beta 58. It's great, bright mic wit a lot of presence that makes cristal sounding vocals but....very often it's giving You feedback at much smaller volumes than sm58. You have to try for Yourself. If the band is relatively quiet to the voice emission level You'll probably get no issues. Otherwise You'll not be able to set enough vocal volume in the monitors to hear properly. It's mostly about playing in small halls etc. SM58 in this case is more safe mic. Like I said...You have to match it to Your musical projects but if You decide to buy beta and have problems like I said, You'll at least know where to search for the problem


Yeah i agree, i think that Sm 58 and Sm 57 are an obligation smile.gif


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post Dec 17 2014, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 17 2014, 10:35 AM) *
...You feedback at much smaller volumes than sm58. ...


The Beta is a supercardiod design so is more likely than the normal sm58 to feedback if you have the monitor behind the singer. If you put the monitors at about 60 degrees it should be fine.


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post Dec 17 2014, 02:23 PM
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Yeah I understand that and I know the specs of both mics but somehow using both of those many yeras till now it was always the beta 58 who had more problems with feedback. I do understand the ralation between monitor volume and position vs singer emission level and position related to the monitors.


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post Dec 17 2014, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 17 2014, 10:35 AM) *
Just a few words about the Beta 58. It's great, bright mic wit a lot of presence that makes cristal sounding vocals but....very often it's giving You feedback at much smaller volumes than sm58. You have to try for Yourself. If the band is relatively quiet to the voice emission level You'll probably get no issues. Otherwise You'll not be able to set enough vocal volume in the monitors to hear properly. It's mostly about playing in small halls etc. SM58 in this case is more safe mic. Like I said...You have to match it to Your musical projects but if You decide to buy beta and have problems like I said, You'll at least know where to search for the problem


Thanks for the tips man! I am currently researching for a vocal mic that would nicely complement my voice - I am a tenor - so I can go high but not too low and I don't sound so mean and convinving when singing in lower registers, so I need something to complement that. I'd be very grateful for some extra suggestions/tips if you have any wink.gif

A friend of mine told me about the Telefunken mics.. but I haven't ever tried those..


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post Dec 18 2014, 02:00 PM
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I have never tried as well...but for me personally, especially at club gigs sometimes a guitar mic makes a perfect job. for example when P.A i poor (not linear, rather scooped) I use audio-technica ATM650 for vocal. It has more even midrange than SM58 and it's more cardioid. When the place is small and the band plays really loud, it can save Your life.

To be honest the more mics I get in my life, the more I cure myslef from looking at what's particular mic is made for. Seems like things are working well or they don't and this is the only category we can place them in smile.gif Grab any single mic You have in Your reach are and simply play a gig, soundcheck, rehearsal...so For yourself. I do not call mic "voacl" or "guitar" anymore smile.gif))


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post Dec 18 2014, 05:33 PM
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Thanks for the tips, mate smile.gif I'll see what I'll spend my cash on - I bought this so far:

http://www.shure.com/americas/products/mic...ocal-microphone

But this is very good for recording - both vocals and guitars smile.gif Out of what I know - have you tried it?


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post Dec 19 2014, 12:27 PM
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Yes and it's a very good mic for both. Probably one of not many dynamic mics that can be set pretty flat.


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post Dec 19 2014, 05:44 PM
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Well, next week, yours truly will receive it smile.gif Still pondering over the live one - I'll see what's what and make a decision. In the worst case scenario - I mean if it comes along with too much feedback, I will sell it and get another one until I find exactly what I need.


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