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post Jul 18 2007, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 17 2007, 07:01 PM) *
I could be mistaken but to anyone who think swearing is ok on the forum keep in mind that I do believe it goes against your chances of becoming a senior member and having a free membership.
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post Jul 18 2007, 02:05 AM
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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 17 2007, 08:01 PM) *
I could be mistaken but to anyone who think swearing is ok on the forum keep in mind that I do believe it goes against your chances of becoming a senior member and having a free membership.
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When people say swearing. Are you guys meaning EVERYTHING, or just like the big ones. The F word for instance, or the S word??


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post Jul 18 2007, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (Ryan @ Jul 17 2007, 05:05 PM) *
When people say swearing. Are you guys meaning EVERYTHING, or just like the big ones. The F word for instance, or the S word??



I think you have to take it into common sense and read the forum guidlines. I think words like crap and stuff is acceptable. But we really have to use common sense here being were all friends and we all want to learn together and become great guitarist. Dont get me wrong I hear swearing everyday and sometimes I do swear ALOT when im mad. But Im doing my best to keep It off the forums. Think of it as the world is a swearing playground and Gmc is a escape from that. And we must keep it that way. And yes Ive swore on here before and I apoligize for it, but im starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel on this one smile.gif.


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post Jul 18 2007, 02:21 AM
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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 17 2007, 07:11 PM) *
I think you have to take it into common sense and read the forum guidlines. I think words like crap and stuff is acceptable. But we really have to use common sense here being were all friends and we all want to learn together and become great guitarist. Dont get me wrong I hear swearing everyday and sometimes I do swear ALOT when im mad. But Im doing my best to keep It off the forums. Think of it as the world is a swearing playground and Gmc is a escape from that. And we must keep it that way. And yes Ive swore on here before and I apoligize for it, but im starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel on this one smile.gif.
Keep it clean- John


i guess that means that Girl-Rant threads wont be exiting anymore sad.gif sad.gif ...lol, laugh.gif just kiddin tongue.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif


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post Jul 18 2007, 02:27 AM
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When it comes to cursing on a forum you have to be blunt and honest about 2 things...

1. Cursing is never necessary- Yes we ARE romodels and anyone who curses a lot just sounds like an ignorant person. If your debating someone curse words just show that you can't make a decent argument without using profanity and in that case it is just being used against you. I personally accept the "***" method effective and feel that if you want to curse, at least censor it.

2. For everyone else that feels TRULY offended by even the stars(***) in a post, please realize that this is a forum for musicians, not a regime for robots and that some people can only express themselves in negative or especially positive colours by using words that are considered profane by today's standards. On that note, I feel we shouldn't enforce anything more than the *s because we honestly don't have that bad of a forum at GMC (in fact this is the cleanest, nicest, LEAST profane forum I've ever been on).

Thats my oppinion smile.gif

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post Jul 18 2007, 02:48 AM
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QUOTE (Anastasio123 @ Jul 17 2007, 08:27 PM) *
When it comes to cursing on a forum you have to be blunt and honest about 2 things...

1. Cursing is never necessary- Yes we ARE romodels and anyone who curses a lot just sounds like an ignorant person. If your debating someone curse words just show that you can't make a decent argument without using profanity and in that case it is just being used against you. I personally accept the "***" method effective and feel that if you want to curse, at least censor it.

2. For everyone else that feels TRULY offended by even the stars(***) in a post, please realize that this is a forum for musicians, not a regime for robots and that some people can only express themselves in negative or especially positive colours by using words that are considered profane by today's standards. On that note, I feel we shouldn't enforce anything more than the *s because we honestly don't have that bad of a forum at GMC (in fact this is the cleanest, nicest, LEAST profane forum I've ever been on).

Thats my oppinion smile.gif

If the stars were admited to being ok. Then a lot of posts would look like this. Hey, ******** hows it *** going. I really love this ***** band. (Now thats probably a little over exaggerated, but doesnt look to professional (guitarist) IMO)

I guess this is mostly just about respect really. Who has the most respect. Kris wants it to be clean, and fun for everybody. Its like being a guest at someones house. You dont run in and yell and cuss up a storm.


I still think though that "Damn" is ok, but if is againsts his wishs. Then it all shall stop. Im a very respectable person, and believe that Respect is one of the most important things in life. And im sure a lot of other people are the same way on GMC.

Haha, I dont think this subject is very debatable anyways IMO. This is Kris's Site, and what he says goes tongue.gif, or else.


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post Jul 18 2007, 02:58 AM
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Im going to post something that Andrew said in a previous topic about swearing

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post Jul 18 2007, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE (shredmandan @ Jul 17 2007, 08:14 PM) *
Very well put smile.gif
I agree with you .I really didnt use but 2or 3 swear words on here and then posted my opinion and had a reply from you.I talked to Andrew about it and apologized along with Gabriel.I even pm'd you and apologized and tryed to dicuss with you but you never responded.Then i noticed a post you made right after mine where all i said was cool man i just asked the question and you posted this man,and you removed it.I didnt understand that and was curious if you just labeled me or decided since i made a mistake to judge me by that forever. sad.gif I enjoy it here and have enjoyed practicing many of your lessons as well.I just dont know if i ever have a question about one of your posts or lessons if you will respond to me because of one post i made.


Shredmandan - its very apparent that you have had a change of approach after the last time around, just as you said, and the fact that you apologised was particularly appreciated - we don't just notice the bad things, we look for the good as well smile.gif

Believe me, I agonise everytime I edit a post or put a warning on a thread (and a lot of times when I don't), which is as it should be - as soon as I start making changes without bothering to think about it I'll step down as moderator. Funnily enough I believe in free speech as well, but I always couple it with concern for the impact of my words or actions on others, and respect for the context. With freedom comes responsibility.

This is a great thread, and I can see that we have a lot of support for the clean forum that Kris wants this to be, that makes me proud of GMC and all of its members cool.gif

And yes Ryan 'Damn' is ok in my opinion, and is explicitly listed as an acceptable mild expletive in the posting guidelines!

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post Jul 18 2007, 03:30 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 17 2007, 09:27 PM) *
And yes Ryam 'Damn' is ok in my opinion, and is explicitly listed as an acceptable mild expletive in the posting guidelines!

Ryan haha. Sorry I have a thing about my name. Thats cool that its acceptable, but with in reason tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Ryan @ Jul 17 2007, 10:30 PM) *
Ryan haha. Sorry I have a thing about my name. Thats cool that its acceptable, but with in reason tongue.gif


I beg your pardon, I corrected it smile.gif


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Just what does it take to be a senior member...im in my 40's..does that count? cool.gif


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QUOTE (Travelin' Man @ Jul 17 2007, 10:36 PM) *
Just what does it take to be a senior member...im in my 40's..does that count? cool.gif


Sorry, age doesn't enter into it wink.gif

Check this thread for details:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=4837

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post Jul 18 2007, 04:25 AM
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QUOTE (Ryan @ Jul 17 2007, 09:48 PM) *
If the stars were admited to being ok. Then a lot of posts would look like this. Hey, ******** hows it *** going. I really love this ***** band. (Now thats probably a little over exaggerated, but doesnt look to professional (guitarist) IMO)

I guess this is mostly just about respect really. Who has the most respect. Kris wants it to be clean, and fun for everybody. Its like being a guest at someones house. You dont run in and yell and cuss up a storm.
I still think though that "Damn" is ok, but if is againsts his wishs. Then it all shall stop. Im a very respectable person, and believe that Respect is one of the most important things in life. And im sure a lot of other people are the same way on GMC.

Haha, I dont think this subject is very debatable anyways IMO. This is Kris's Site, and what he says goes tongue.gif, or else.


True, I just feel like I dont have a need to curse when I write on this forum. Let's be honest, Kris says no cursing, so if your big on it, read over youyr posts before sending them out...
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For all that GMC Has to offer us, its a small request.

Just one question for you all at GMC, Is "Kickass" a curse word, or considered one? i know i have a tendency to say that a bit, if its considered one, ill cutback as much as possible.
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I just write KICK( ) so people get my point cuz I'm unsure about that one as well.


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ill try to say "Kick (Insert slur or term for Rear End or Buttocks)"
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Well I wouldn't think ass is offensive, to me ass is a donkey. In australia the word we use for butt has 4 letters, like i think is the same for england and some of europe. Besides, they say it all the time on The Simpsons and every kid watches that. And damn wouldnt be unless you are directing it at another GMC'er. At least this is what i would assume.

P.S I think someone mentioned this thread is in Uploads. I can't work out how I managed that so im sorry - but to all moderators feel free to move it.

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This is a complex topic. I'm not sure I can add anything but I will try to express my views.

I know it isn't so, but it should be enough with a general posting guideline in the style of "Behave and be nice or be gone".

I'm 100% percent for free speech, but to me that does not include being rude or mean to others. I like to read well formulated, fluid posts like the ones so many here posts. Unfortunatly I'm not one them. I guess I could be, but I've been on to many forums way to long to have the spirit to do that. I prefer to do it short. The backside of that (and the process of reformulating my thoughts in a foreign language) is that when I have hit the submit button and read it through I often find my posts harsh and sometimes they are just jibberish. They didn't come out the way I intended. Apologize for that. And this is leading up to my point.

You have to remember that on a forum like this people have diffent age, culture, language, sex, history, reasons, goals, dreams, whatever. Different people have different ways of expressing themselves. For some it's really hard to write, for some it's second nature. Everyone deserves respect. But respect goes both ways. I (I and me is general in this case) have to respect that people might get offended by something I write. But other people have to understand that what I wrote wasn't intended to be offensive. This is what I think. This is the way I write. Because I don't know any other way to write or I choose to write this way for whatever reason. It doesn't mean that I'm right and you have to think that too. No harm intended. We all have our own reality, with our own set of rules. What is obvious and natural to me might be very weird to you. Ethics is completly in the eye of the beholder and what's wrong to me might be the right to you.

I would not want a forum to turn into an elitistic playground just for those who have the ability to express themselves with ease, and everyone just nods and agrees and inserts encouraging remarks. "Jolly good old chap". On the other hand I wouldn't want to read thread after thread filled with sloppy language, cursing and abusive remarks. Occasinally though, I would like to be able to burst out in a "Hell, yeah! Best concert ever dude!"

If you start listing allowed or banned expressions this could well get ridiculous. Doesn't have to, but it could.

Live and let live. If I'm offended by anything you say (and it's important to me) I will let you know. I would tell you, but everybody wouldn't. Respect that too.

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QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Jul 18 2007, 03:01 AM) *
I could be mistaken but to anyone who think swearing is ok on the forum keep in mind that I do believe it goes against your chances of becoming a senior member and having a free membership.
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Yes absolutely - good point! We will neved chose a member for seniorship who has used foul language.

Just as with the previous discussion we had about this - the "where do we draw the limit" question comes up.

To me this discussion isn't very relevant - if you are unsure over a word, don't use it! Only use the words which you are sure of!

Also - I realise that I have used bad language in a lesson covering my songs. I regret this now as I realise there is a problem in saying "we don't want bad language in the board" and then using the same bad language in a song...

So once again the point of the song was to write a provocative song- if you go back and read my posts in the forum - you will see that I have never used foul language on the board. And I never will! smile.gif I don't want to provoke anyone on the forum with bad language - and I don't want to be provoked either...


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