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Hemlok
post Jul 18 2007, 12:07 PM
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I recently posted on a topic which had links to youtube videos, and that they should have warnings if it has material that may be offensive to some listeners...


Now that i think about it... oh wait i did put a warning on my day 1 recording of my violin tongue.gif no swearing, just terrible sounds. laugh.gif

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Completely agree, if you are wondering if you should or shouldn't use a certain word.... how many other options do you have? millions! Since I signed up here I think I have replaced damn with darn or darnit, damn has basically just become really more accepted and it looks like more extreme words will become more and more accepted and like said before, lose their meaning/impact. Problem solved for Ryan tongue.gif

Short story, my supervisor would swear every sentence, while I thought it was stupid, that is just the way she is and I was fine with it. But what I couldn't stand was when she would use directed at other people, also people she doesn't know. She was extremely abusive, and as a result of complaints, and my and my co-workers resignation she was fired. Since then my workplace is a much better place, I enjoy coming to work each day and everything is honky dory smile.gif

I think alot of younger people don't understand the impact of these words as its an everyday occurrence, tv, movies, games... friends, family, it is everywhere.



So in conclusion(of my drunken rant) GMC is not the place for it. I really hope this thread will change things a little bit, and not too much as not much needs to be changed because everyone you are doing great job to keep GMC is a fantastic community smile.gif

- Hemlok

P.S this is probably my largest post so far.. I wont re-read it, if it doesn't make sense I am sorry smile.gif

Darn I completely went off the topic I was originally aiming to talk about!


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post Jul 18 2007, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 17 2007, 10:27 PM) *
Shredmandan - its very apparent that you have had a change of approach after the last time around, just as you said, and the fact that you apologised was particularly appreciated - we don't just notice the bad things, we look for the good as well smile.gif

Believe me, I agonise everytime I edit a post or put a warning on a thread (and a lot of times when I don't), which is as it should be - as soon as I start making changes without bothering to think about it I'll step down as moderator. Funnily enough I believe in free speech as well, but I always couple it with concern for the impact of my words or actions on others, and respect for the context. With freedom comes responsibility.

This is a great thread, and I can see that we have a lot of support for the clean forum that Kris wants this to be, that makes me proud of GMC and all of its members cool.gif

And yes Ryan 'Damn' is ok in my opinion, and is explicitly listed as an acceptable mild expletive in the posting guidelines!



Thanks for your response Andrew smile.gif You have always been very nice and easy to communicate with on here.


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post Jul 18 2007, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (Anastasio123 @ Jul 18 2007, 03:27 AM) *
2. For everyone else that feels TRULY offended by even the stars(***) in a post, please realize that this is a forum for musicians, not a regime for robots and that some people can only express themselves in negative or especially positive colours by using words that are considered profane by today's standards. On that note, I feel we shouldn't enforce anything more than the *s because we honestly don't have that bad of a forum at GMC (in fact this is the cleanest, nicest, LEAST profane forum I've ever been on).

Thats my oppinion smile.gif

I may have been the one bring up that '******' isn't alright even and my point to that was NOT that's I'm offende by it. I swear and cuss when I speak but I am showing everyone in this forum my respect by using a clean language. So it's not because I'm offended, it's out of respect. And marking the words with '****' doesn't make things a lot better. The printed word isn't there, true, but the meaning of it is still there and with a full word of '*' sticking out like a sore thumb ('****' does draw attention in a text) the focus rather ends up on that specific word anyway.
Would I want to explain to my kids what's hiding behing ther '*''s? No I wouldn't so I don't write it.

And if someone can't write a text and manage to stress what needs to be stressed without using bad words I think that person seriously need to work on finding useful words as substitute.


QUOTE (tonymiro @ Jul 18 2007, 01:46 AM) *
IMO,
Too often people swear too much. Swearing is a form (offensive or not) of communicative expression that is used to intensify meaning. Part of the issue then, to me, is that if used continually, or if generally just 'over-used', it loses that power to 'shock' or intensify and thus any real rationale for being there in language: it becomes an empty signifier. Relatedly, as already mentioned, language is already rich enough that we can intensify meaning without recourse to swearing - swearing tends to demonstrate the person's lack of facility with words and little else. (In RL I edit and review for academic publications and accept swearing if I feel it in some way it 'adds' to the communication rather than is an empty gesture.)

Perhaps, as has already been mentioned, on a forum based on open communication where we are not face to face we know little if anything about the persons with whom we communicate. Thus we cannot know at what point we transgress the margin between a 'shock for effect' and where we alienate them. In the latter case rather than achieving communication all we are likely to do is close off all communication by making the other person/s walk away in disgust. For us users of the board this situation is bad (you don't make a point/win an argument by making the other person leave in disgust). As with Kris I routinely ignore threads (on other boards) that are little other than swearing contests. However for Kris the effect of us swearing is arguably more intolerable - he might lose a customer, lose credibility, get a poor online rating, etc. Not things I think that any of us would want for him and the site

Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to say don't swear (I'm not an advocate of censorship) do think about the effect that you mean to achieve and that which you might achieve. From what I've seen to date Andrew is doing a great job on the moderation.

Apologies btw if this comes across as preaching - it isn't meant to.
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Very good post!

QUOTE (Ryan @ Jul 18 2007, 03:48 AM) *
If the stars were admited to being ok. Then a lot of posts would look like this. Hey, ******** hows it *** going. I really love this ***** band. (Now thats probably a little over exaggerated, but doesnt look to professional (guitarist) IMO)

I guess this is mostly just about respect really. Who has the most respect. Kris wants it to be clean, and fun for everybody. Its like being a guest at someones house. You dont run in and yell and cuss up a storm.
I still think though that "Damn" is ok, but if is againsts his wishs. Then it all shall stop. Im a very respectable person, and believe that Respect is one of the most important things in life. And im sure a lot of other people are the same way on GMC.

Haha, I dont think this subject is very debatable anyways IMO. This is Kris's Site, and what he says goes tongue.gif, or else.

Well said! Since the language evelops all the time some words will slip into being accepted while others will stay unaccepted and new words are created and old ones disappear. Where the line is drawn for what goes and what doesn't can be difficult to determine. So I understand your question on specific words but I can't answer it.

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jul 18 2007, 12:48 PM) *
Also - I realise that I have used bad language in a lesson covering my songs. I regret this now as I realise there is a problem in saying "we don't want bad language in the board" and then using the same bad language in a song...

True, all ages can watch. But you can always call it art to make it alright laugh.gif


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post Jul 18 2007, 11:00 PM
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I'm only 13,but i know every word in the book anyways...I dont mind as long as people dont swear for no reason, and sound like idiots doing it.


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post Jul 20 2007, 01:46 PM
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Ok - I am very happy to see that most people agree that we don't want foul language at GMC!

I will pin this topic for a while so that no one misses it! smile.gif

Thanks again for bringing this up and helping me out guys! biggrin.gif

Kris


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post Jul 20 2007, 01:53 PM
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No problemo, thanks everyone who replied and kept this thread active. Good idea to pin the topic, as GMC is growing so much, new users may not know of it.

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post Jul 20 2007, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Jul 20 2007, 08:53 AM) *
No problemo, thanks everyone who replied and kept this thread active. Good idea to pin the topic, as GMC is growing so much, new users may not know of it.

- Hemlok


Without a doubt, and thats hoping that they even bother to read this thread before they start posting.


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