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Latest ear training results. You wouldn't believe how long this took me!! 30 minutes!!!!! So much for my diary practice laugh.gif Not sure of most and really really really not sure of three. I found that sometimes I can (or think I can) find one note on my guitar but really struggle to find the second.

1: Perfect 5th (DA)
2: Perfect 4th (GC)
3: Perfect 5th (EB)
4: Octave (A) Really hard to find these notes on guitar, still not sure at all)
5: Octave (F)
6: Major 6th (BG#)
7: Perfect 4th (CF)
8: Octave (D)
9: Octave (E)
10: Perfect 4th (AD)

Also posted in the creativity workshop. That took me 30 minutes. I really struggle to settle for 10 minutes on anything, it disappears so quickly biggrin.gif

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Hi Phil! If time flows like that, it means that you are really enjoying this work, and that's the most important thing! smile.gif

Good job with the ear training! There are only 4 wrong ones. Please practice a bit with your guitar how harmonic 5ths and 8ths sound and give this one more chance. wink.gif


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Thanks Gab,

I'll try again this evening, I'll probably get 10 different answer rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 2 2015, 10:09 AM) *
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I'll try again this evening, I'll probably get 10 different answer rolleyes.gif

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Sorry Gab,

Not much done tonight, had some surprise visitors mad.gif

Had another go at the ear training. Due to time I used my last answers and compared them to what i could hear to see if I still thought that they matched the reference tones from you.

I only found two that I thought were different.

1: Perfect 5th (DA)
2: Perfect 4th (GC)
3: Major 3rd (EG#)
4: Major 7th (A G#) Still really really struggling with this one. Probably spent 10 minutes trying to decide.
5: Octave (F)
6: Major 6th (BG#)
7: Perfect 4th (CF)
8: Octave (D)
9: Octave (E)
10: Perfect 4th (AD)

Looking at number four, can some people have difficulty recognising certain tones in the same way that some people can't see green/brown as different colours?

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Hi Phil! Good job! There are only 2 wrong ones, the number 8 and number 9. Could you please re-check them?

About that comparison with sight issues... mmm I don't think so. The trick here is recognize each interval at a time. There are two notes sounding, and if you first sing one and then sing the other you'll have the two notes separated so the exercise will become similar to the previous ones.


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 3 2015, 02:15 PM) *
Hi Phil! Good job! There are only 2 wrong ones, the number 8 and number 9. Could you please re-check them?

About that comparison with sight issues... mmm I don't think so. The trick here is recognize each interval at a time. There are two notes sounding, and if you first sing one and then sing the other you'll have the two notes separated so the exercise will become similar to the previous ones.


Thanks Gab,

I'll try again tonight when I get back from taking my good lady out for a bite to eat. I wonder why I struggled the most with number four. I know it's correct now but I think it was more luck than judgment smile.gif

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Maybe it's because the notes are close. I mean each one is in a different octave but A and G# are very close notes so many harmonics are similar and it makes them more difficult to differentiate.


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Hello Gab,

Next attempt. I got my 7 string out for #9. I'm guessing you used Drop D???????????????

8: Perfect 5th (GD)
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 3 2015, 04:58 PM) *
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Next attempt. I got my 7 string out for #9. I'm guessing you used Drop D???????????????

8: Perfect 5th (GD)
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Thanks Gab,

Hmmmm, I am intrigued. I could only get a low note like yours by playing the D on my bass E string on my 7. I had a similar thing in the first or second assignment too. My ears must be weird wacko.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 4 2015, 10:01 AM) *
Thanks Gab,

Hmmmm, I am intrigued. I could only get a low note like yours by playing the D on my bass E string on my 7. I had a similar thing in the first or second assignment too. My ears must be weird wacko.gif

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Thanks Gab,

I just can't understand why I couldn't seem to get a note as low on my six string. It sounded to me that the D played on the bass B was as low, the open D string sounded too high.

Very odd.

This week has been crazy Gab, not had much time to practise. Hopefully I can get back on track THIS week.

I thought you might like to hear a song I like. I like the lyrics and I love the solo (1:27), the bending sounds really controlled, to me anyway.

Enjoy smile.gif



You do something to me
Something deep inside
I'm hanging on the wire
For love I'll never find

You do something wonderful
Then chase it all away
Mixing my emotions
That throws me back again

Hanging on the wire, yeah
I'm waiting for the change
I'm dancing through the fire
Just to catch a flame an' feel real again

Hanging on the wire, yeah
Said I'm waiting for the change
I'm dancing through the fire
Just to catch a flame, an' feel real again

You do something to me
Somewhere deep inside
Hoping to get close to
A peace I cannot find

Dancing through the fire yeah
Just to catch a flame
Just to get close to
Just close enough to tell you that

You do something to me
Something deep inside


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Hi Phil! Thanks for the update, the link and lyrics. That's a very nice song, I like the message, and the overall feel, his voice and guitar arrangements are very tasty. I've never heard about him before so I'll explore his work. smile.gif



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He is known as The Modfather, he founded The Jam in the 70's as part of a mod revival. He is one of Noel Gallagher's heroes.
He also formed The Style Council in the 80's and went solo in 90's. There is another lovely ballad below called "English Rose"
I've put a few Jam tracks here, one Style Council track, I wasn't really into them so don't know much of the stuff. A couple of solo tracks too. Also, to show what a legend he is, I've included a video at The Royal Albert Hall with the one and only Pete Townsend.
Enjoy, and I hope my selection inspires you in your own music somehow wink.gif He has a big catalogue to discover wink.gif

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The Jam:


"In The City"

In the city there's a thousand things I want to say to you
But whenever I approach you, you make me look a fool
I wanna say, I wanna tell you
About the young ideas
But you turn them into fears
In the city there's a thousand faces all shining bright
And those golden faces are under 25
They wanna say, they gonna tell ya
About the young idea
You better listen now you've said your bit ha!

And I know what you're thinking
You're sick of that kind of crap
But you'd better listen man
Because the kids know where it's at

In the city there's a thousand men in uniforms
And I've heard they now have the right to kill a man
We wanna say, we gonna tell ya
About the young idea
And if it don't work, at least we still tried

In the city, in the city
In the city there's a thousand things I want to say to you



"Town Called Malice"

Better stop dreaming of the quiet life
'Cos it's the one we'll never know
And quit running for that runaway bus
'Cos those rosey days are few
And...stop apologising for the things you've never done
'Cos time is short and life is cruel
But it's up to us to change
This town called Malice

Rows and rows of disused milk floats
Stand dying in the dairy yard
And a hundred lonely housewives
Clutch empty milk bottles to their hearts
Hanging out their old love letters on the line to dry
It's enough to make you stop believing
When tears come fast and furious
In a town called Malice

Struggle after struggle, year after year
The atmosphere's a fine blend of ice
I'm almost stone cold dead
In a town called Malice

A whole street's belief in Sunday's roast beef
Gets dashed against the co-op
To either cut down on beer or the kids' new gear
It's a big decision in a town called Malice

The ghost of a steam train echoes down my track
It's at the moment bound for nowhere
Just going 'round and 'round
Playground kids and creaking swings
Lost laughter in the breeze
I could go on for hours and I probably will
But I'd sooner put some joy back
In this town called Malice



"Going Underground"

Some people might say my life is in a rut
But I'm quite happy with what I've got
People might say that I should strive for more
But I'm so happy I can't see the point

Something's happening here today
A show of strength with your boy's brigade
And I'm so happy and you're so kind
You want more money - of course I don't mind
To buy nuclear textbooks for atomic crimes
And the public gets what the public wants

But I want nothing this society's got
I'm going underground (going underground)
Well, let the brass bands play and feet start to pound
Going underground (going underground)
Well, let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout for tomorrow

Some people might get some pleasure out of hate
Me, I've enough already on my plate
People might need some tension to relax
Me, I'm too busy dodging between the flak

What you see is what you get
You've made your bed, you'd better lie in it
You choose your leaders and place your trust
As their lies wash you down and their promises rust
You'll see kidney machines replaced by rockets and guns
And the public wants what the public gets

But I don't get what this society wants
I'm going underground (going underground)
Well, let the brass bands play and feet start to pound
Going underground (going underground)
So let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout for tomorrow

La la la la...

We talk and we talk until my head explodes
I turn on the news and my body froze
These braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream!

Going underground, I'm going underground!

La la la la...

These braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream!

I'm going underground (going underground)
Well, let the brass bands play and feet start to pound
Going underground (going underground)
Well, let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout,
Going underground (going underground)
Well, let the brass bands play and feet go pow, pow, pow
Going underground (going underground)
So let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout for tomorrow

This is Paul doing a Jam song called English Rose from 1978, this was done about 30 years later.


"English Rose"

No matter where I roam
I will return to my English rose
For no bonds can ever tempt me from she
I've sailed the seven seas,
Flown the whole blue sky.
But I've returned with haste to where my
Love does lie.
No matter where I go I will come back to my English Rose
For nothing can ever tempt me from she.
I've searched the secret mists -
I've climbed the highest peaks
Caught the wild wind home
To hear her soft voice speak
No matter where I roam
I will return to my English Rose
For no bonds can ever keep me from she.

I've been to ancient worlds
I've scoured the whole universe
And caught the first train home
To be at her side.
No matter where I roam
I will return to my English Rose
For no bonds, nothing and no-one can ever keep me from she


The Style Council:


"You're The Best Thing"

I could be discontent and chase the rainbows end
I might win much more but lose all that is mine
I could be a lot but I know I'm not
I'm content just with the riches that you bring
I might shoot to win and commit the sin
Of wanting more than I've already got
I could runaway but I'd rather stay
In the warmth of your smile lighting up my day
(the one that makes me say, hehe)

'Cause you're the best thing that ever happened to me or my world
You're the best thing that ever happened, so don't go away

I might be a king and steal my peoples things
But I don't go for that power crazy way
All that I could rule but I don't check for fools
All that I need is to be left to live my way
(say listen what I say)

I could chase around for nothing to be found
But why look for something that is never there
I may get it wrong sometimes but I'll come back in style
For I realize your love means more than anything
(the song you make me sing, yeah)

Paul Weller (Solo)



Country

I know a place not far from here
Where lifes sweet perfume fills the air
And if you want I'll take you there
If you want I'll take you there

Into the light out of the dark
Where only love can heal your heart
And if you want I'll make a start
If you want I'll make a start

This place I say half hour away
Is that so far to go so near
And further on we'll find the time
And lose the discontent we feel, that we feel

I feel the time we've yet to reach
Is not yet within our own belief
But I feel sure that time'll come
If it goes on at all
Said if it goes on at all, whoa if it goes on at all
Hey, it goes on and on and on and on

I know a place not far from here
Where fresh cut grass will fill your hair
And if you want we'll lay a while there
If you want we'll lay a while there, yeah
If you want we'll lay a while there, yeah



Can You Heal Us Holy Man (Because the video is live the lyrics don't fully match these but I wanted to put the live version on video for you)

Crystal words that hang so fine but none will stop us falling
Pulling faster all the time powerless to warnings
If you feel the hand of God, can you guide it holy man?
But you are only flesh and blood, waiting too for judgment

Still saying, daddy don't weep momma don't cry
Everybody gets their time
Don't be sad don't be blue, pray for me
I'll do the same for you

Split the father and the son, hand words to ease them
If you have the hand of God, can you heal us holy man?
But you are only flesh and blood, waiting too for judgment

Still saying, hang on tight hang on strong
How much longer can this go on
But don't be sad don't be blue
It's one more thing set to confuse

Daddy don't weep momma don't cry
Every fear must have its time
Don't be sad don't be blue, pray for me
I'll do the same for you

Can you bring the hand of God?
Can you stop the killing?
Get us back to hope and love
Never more be needed

Still saying, bloods gone bad bad to worse
Worse to bad and back again
Don't be sad don't be blue
It's one more thing sent to confuse

Momma don't weep daddy don't cry
Every fear must have its time
Don't be sad don't be blue, pray for me
I'll do the same for you


Random video with Pete Townsend.


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Put my attempts into the timing workshop unsure.gif

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Awesome info and videos Phil! Now that I'm listening to The Jam, I noticed that I've heard some of those track before. I like their classic punk rock sound... maybe a lesson could be a good addition to my classic punk series... biggrin.gif


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Glad you like it Gab.

Ok, again not had much time. We had a worker leave three weeks ago, every single component went through his section, we are struggling to replace him so three of us are trying to do our own work and cover his 45 hours blink.gif Impossible and very tiring sad.gif

Anyway, as I have been neglecting the Hives lesson I spent my only half hour on this tonight. I do struggle with this kind of rhythm, also as it changes I struggle to remember everything, maybe "Row Row Row Your Boat" is more my thing for rhythm playing laugh.gif

I do find it tricky to listen to the drum beat and play with this piece for some reason. It gets better when the bass comes in though.

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Hi Phil, I'm sorry about the work issues, I hope that you can solve it soon.

About the Hives lesson, you are not playing the riff correctly. You can note it by checking the bass which should go unison with guitars and it's not happening. Please re-check the riff and how it goes with drums.



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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 9 2015, 01:56 PM) *
Hi Phil, I'm sorry about the work issues, I hope that you can solve it soon.

About the Hives lesson, you are not playing the riff correctly. You can note it by checking the bass which should go unison with guitars and it's not happening. Please re-check the riff and how it goes with drums.


Thanks Gab,

You know; when I play it back something sounds wrong but I can't put my finger on it. It can be a confusing rhythm for some reason. Out of interest could you explain theoretically what the rhythm guitar is doing please. As I said, it's just that it interests me how the beats lie with the drums.

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