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Thanks Gab,

I will try to think less, but being an engineer, I like to understand, it's a trait I've always had, I used to annoy my maths teacher when I asked him to explain exactly what a sine and cosine were and he would just say "It's what you use in the equation", I used to say "But it must be something more than a name" which it is but he himself couldn't explain.

Sorry, it's in my mental construction rolleyes.gif

I'm already starting to see the relationship with the chord and scale in the theory workshop. I've never used that pentatonic shape but it helps that it works in the same area as the barre chord. smile.gif

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That's great mate and that's why I decided to add external links for this type of questions. Each person is different and I think that I know more of those that get confused or stuck when there is too much information. Keeping things simple is the way to go at GMC workouts.



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Hello Gab,

Ok, I've had a go at the punk collab, I'm so angry, I forgot to check the tuning on my guitar, after I had posted I remembered and checked hoping it was ok but true to punk rock it wasn't.

I'll see if I can replicate it tomorrow (Sunday) but it's not always easy to capture that first raw take when improvised sad.gif

So sorry mate. I've left it in the thread anyway.

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Sunday update:

I've recorded another collab take in tune, I prefer the first one really, if only it was in tune (I bet Steve Jones never said that laugh.gif )

I know it isn't in the syllabus Gab but I've been researching. I didn't know if I should put this in the theory thread or not as it might confuse others, then again it might help them. I'm only doing it because this is the kind of thing I want to understand wink.gif

So far, I have discovered the following:
The A barre chord has A.E,C# notes and the F#min barre chord has F#,C#,A notes in it. That's something I never ever realised, those barre chords only have three notes across six strings rolleyes.gif

A maj pentatonic has the notes A,B.C#,E,F# and all of the notes in the chords can be found in the scale.
The pentatonic is the same as the whole scale but without the 4th and 7th notes.

I've also come up with an idea to work out major and minor notes. As long as you remember C major has no sharps or flats and that A minor has the same notes as C major you can work out other scales. By writing "Maj CDEFGABC" and "Min ABCDEFGA" you can then work out other scales from the intervals. This is the easiest way for me at the moment as I can never remember the intervals of the major and minor scales. Hopefully this will come, but this seems easy as you only have to really remember Cmaj notes which is easy because no sharps or flats, and then just remember that A minor is the same but starts from A.

I hope this makes sense. I wanted to show you that I have been working smile.gif

I've also added two takes for the theory workout. They are a little plinky plonky but I wanted to put something there.

Thanks for this workshop Gab

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Hi Phil! Thanks for the take for the collab, I'll check it in a moment. It's cool to have you on this one. smile.gif

About your conclusions regarding both chords, and scales, you are totally right. And it's interesting how good the notes from one of the chords sound over the other one. We will go deeper with this in future assignments.

About this part:

"I've also come up with an idea to work out major and minor notes. As long as you remember C major has no sharps or flats and that A minor has the same notes as C major you can work out other scales. By writing "Maj CDEFGABC" and "Min ABCDEFGA" you can then work out other scales from the intervals. This is the easiest way for me at the moment as I can never remember the intervals of the major and minor scales. Hopefully this will come, but this seems easy as you only have to really remember Cmaj notes which is easy because no sharps or flats, and then just remember that A minor is the same but starts from A."


I don't really understand the method...


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Sorry Gab,
It is probably how I explained it.

C major is easy to remember CDEFGABC
A minor is easy to remember ABCDEFGA

So long as you know that between B&C and E&F is a semitone and all the others are a tone you can work out what notes are in any other major or minor key by using C major and A min as your reference and starting from the root.

Make sense? Or am I wrong?

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Yes, I think. You see scales as a sum of intervals and distances, don't you?


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 11 2016, 12:21 PM) *
Yes, I think. You see scales as a sum of intervals and distances, don't you?


Yes Gab,

For me, so long as I know C major and A minor it's easy to work out other keys using the C major and A minor as a "template". Eventually I guess we all learn the scale notes from repeated composing etc.

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Well, if you are talking about visualizing shapes in the fret-board, that's how it works. You even don't need the names of the scales, you can visualize shapes and distances from a root.


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Thanks Gab,

I was thinking more along music itself not just guitar. In the image below, I've written out C Maj and A min where W=wholetone and S= semitone for the intervals. As you can see, I've used those as a template to work out the notes in F major and F minor, it's just something I came up with and is probably not much use but I did it anyway, I thought it might help me one day rolleyes.gif I just like to know things, I have a thirst for knowledge which can be a hindrance sometimes unsure.gif

Please excuse my poor writing biggrin.gif



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Now I got it, this is exactly how it works! smile.gif

Just one detail, you rarely find two notes with the same root name in the same scale so you should use flat notes in order to avoid it. It's just a theoretical / music language rule.


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Thanks Gab,
I noticed it look odd and realised I hadn't seen two root notes before so I researched and found that out smile.gif I didn't bother changing the piece of paper though, the method is still the same.

I'm really enjoying the theory thread and trying to come up with different things for the same backing is great fun and good experience.

I'm really surprised there isn't more activity in the thread though sad.gif

I'll just keep posting takes, hopefully some of those in the shadows will come out once they realise they don't have to be a hot player to post a take wink.gif I have my fourth one in there now, trying to limit phrases to 4 notes.

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Sure Phil! Posting takes there will inspire other students to follow the course and maybe share their works. I've noticed that each student is different, have different times, levels and ways of working, and that's why I believe my mentoring program threads are the ones that have more activity. However I still think that having many different workouts at the forum is positive to keep music flowing. smile.gif


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You are a great teacher Gab and very similar to Cosmin, he had a fairly active mentoring thread too.
You are correct, every student is different and the skill of the teacher is to find the right approach for each individual. I have taught cnc programming to a lot of people over the years and I like the fact they were all different. Some seemed really slow learners but when i worked out a different approach to get the information across they were invariably as quick as others. The use of an analogy I found very very effective in some cases whereas others can find it patronising. Anyway, I digress.
Thanks for everything Gab, this Applied Theory has taken over my Sex Pistols lesson and also the blues one.
I've got to restructure my routine.
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Thanks for your words mate. Let's keep going!


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Thank Gab,

I always keep going mate, just not always in the right direction smile.gif

Can you take a look at THIS please. No rush, just when you get chance.

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I'll comment there. wink.gif


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Hello Gab,

I think you missed THIS post in the applied theory thread wink.gif

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Thanks for the link mate. I've commented there, and also at the Guitar loves piano thread.


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Thanks Gab
Sorry to be a pest but what about THIS post too

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