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Thanks Gab,
I don't fully understand but it may become apparent when I am at home looking at the diagrams later.
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UPDATE:

I had a look at doing what you said with the 12 bar lesson but I need more time to work out the chords that match the arpeggios otherwise I'll just be playing the A7 bar chord shifted to suit the root.
This is all very complicated but it's good, there just never seem enough hours and by the next day some of it is forgotten laugh.gif It's a good way to learn relationships between chords and arpeggios and scales because we are having to search for it rather than it be hadnded on a plate. It tends to stick in your head more. A bit like when people were telling Arnie to change his name because people wouldn't remember it, he said, "If they take a long time to remember how to say it, they will never forget it", very true ph34r.gif

One other thing:
The 12 bar you put at the beginning of the assignment is AAAADDAAEEAA, in Bogdan's description in PART 1 HEREit says AAAADDAAEDAE that is the same as the GP5, I guess that's just another way of playing it?

Got the Petrucci lesson at 80% speed but needs polishing and not natural at that speed yet.

If you want to see my practise space you can see it HERE. Why don't you post yours up mate? wink.gif

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Hi Phil,

You're totally right. It will take time but you won't forget it. Learning to play blues with dominant arpeggios is the root for everything else (rock, funk, jazz, fusion, bosa) so take your time to get into this amazing stuff and enjoy the process.

There are different possibilities for the 12 bars blues progressions, even you'll see in the future that there are more "jazzy" versions that include some other chords.

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Thanks Gab,

Glad you like my practise room smile.gif

Not much time tonight but got the Petrucci lesson up to 90% speed but with error so back to 70% and then back up.

Still thinking about the theory stuff smile.gif

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Hello Gab,

I'm still soldiering on, and the Petrucci lesson is consuming me at the moment rolleyes.gif I have tried at 100% but I have a co-ordination problem at that speed. It just needs more practise, also some of the phrasing is tricky at the faster speeds but I just need to get more familiar with it so it is more natural.
What I am finding is that when I play the run below, I'm hammering on the second and third note of each triplet just before the pick hits the string. It could sound good if it wasn't for this being a lesson smile.gif
  A#5                                             
|---3---| |---3---| |---3---| |---3---|
E E E E E E E E E E E E
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--------------12--14--15--------------12--14--15--|
--12--14--15--------------12--14--15--------------|
--------------------------------------------------|
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C5 D5
|---3---| |---3---| |---3---| |---3---|
E E E E E E E E E E E E W
--------------------------------------------------|---------------------||
--------------------------------------------------|---------------------||
--------------14--15--17--------------14--15--17--|---------------------||
--14--15--17--------------14--15--17--------------|--16~----------------||
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Is there a way to get GP6 to play at 91%>92% etc? That would be great.

I'm going to read a lot about the dominant arpeggios and how they fit with chords over the weekend, to try and get a good understanding of it. I'm finding I read about it and forget it really quickly.

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Thanks Gab,

It's a case of RTFM I guess. rolleyes.gif

Hoping to get this to REC soon

Cheers buddy smile.gif

UPDATE.

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I tried to record it for you tonight but the old REC button syndrome is hitting me hard. I guess I'm not comfortable with it enough yet. It was only audio laugh.gif

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Hi Phil, I'm just back from a short tour. How was your practice?


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Hello Gab,

Hope you had a good tour, was it gigs or travel?

Well, as you can see from the thread above, I tried to record it but couldn't get it very good when recording. I tried again yesterday but I seem to have lost what bit of coordination I had. In fact it seems to be getting worse. it's ok at 90% but anything above is bad.

These runs, like the one in bar 5 and the triplets at the end are giving me the same problem that I had in the Darius lesson. I can play some things quick but runs and scales I really struggle with. I was getting to the point of thinking I'll never get these quick runs and I don't consider the runs in this or the Darius lesson particularly quick. I was actually feeling quite discouraged and despondent.

I did put a question in the forum about coordination, I notice you have replied but I haven't looked yet. I'm going over there now. I only put it there so others can benefit from the answers rather than keep it tucked away here.

Cheers Gab.

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I think I will buy Speed Trainer and use that for the first 15 minutes. What do you think? It's only cheap smile.gif

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Hi Phil,

yeah, I've read and commented at the other thread (well done starting a thread for that). So I'll check what you replied there.

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Thanks Gab,

I've bought Speed Trainer now. I'll keep plugging away until I can record the Petrucci piece in some kind of full speed form for you. I worked through my Speed Profile last night to get that recorded, I will use it each day for 15-20 minutes.They have a fretboard trainer too, do you have any experience of it? It looks like a great system to learnt the fretboard.

Looking forward to the next theory assignment.

For the record, in one assignment, how about picking a scale, explaining how chords are made from the scale, explaining how arpeggios are created from the chords and asking us to come up with a chord progression and record it and also for us to play arpeggios over our own backing. Obviously we would have to have our chords and arpeggios confirmed to be correct before we record. Just a thought for you to think about wink.gif

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Hi mate, congrats on getting that speed trainer. I don't have experience with the fretboard trainer so your experience is welcome to know if it works as you expected. I believe that speed trainer is similar to Guitar Pro Speed Trainer, isn't it?

I think that your plan for Petrucci's lesson is ok however I don't understand what you mean on the last paragraph. You start the sentence with "for the record", what do you mean?





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Thanks Gab,

Guitar Speed Trainer works differently to Guitar Pro Speed Trainer.
http://www.guitarspeed.com/
http://www.guitarspeed.com/gst/method.asp

Sorry about the "For the record". It's an English saying, when you want to say something that isn't really related to what you have been discussing but want the other person to keep it in mind. There are other instances of when it is used but in this case that's how it was used.

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hahaha sorry! I didn't know it. There always something new to learn about language. biggrin.gif So this idea is for the theory workout?


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Cheers Gab,

So far it seems very good, I have only created my speed profile. If you download the free trial (15seconds) and install (15seconds) and read the "Walking and running" section (1 minute) it makes a lot of sense.
It's a progressive system building on each lesson. You can also put your own licks in (paid version only).

Time will tell if it is valuable or not.

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Sorry Gab, I forgot the link in case you want to check it out.

http://www.guitarspeed.com/

I download the full Musician Training Centre that runs the speed trainer and also has a free trial of the fretboard learning system for the first few frets. It's available here http://www.micrologus.com/

I have had to do my speed profile again tonight as I didn't do it properly rolleyes.gif I didn't RTFM, that's my impatience and now it's taken longer rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 19 2016, 03:03 PM) *
hahaha sorry! I didn't know it. There always something new to learn about language. biggrin.gif So this idea is for the theory workout?


Are you happy with Speed trainer?


Sorry Gab, I never answered this.

Yes that idea is for the theory workout wink.gif

I'm using Speed Trainer but finding it a little unstructured at the moment. There isn't a guided lesson plan and that suits some people but I like structure not randomly choosing exercises because I'm always wondering if I'm doing the right thing smile.gif I think it will help though. It uses a similar speed cycling method that I used recently but the exercise builds up to your personal level three speed and back down. It could be a great program with some investment.

In a forum someone said you can create different speed for each bar in Guitar Pro. If I could work that out it would be awesome. Copy and paste the bar that you're struggling with into GP, repeat it a few times and increase the speed each bar then back down for a few.

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Interesting stuff. Yes, I think that's possible on guitar pro. I'm happy with the old school method, using a simple metronome to practice licks and that kind of stuff but if you feel that this can help you to progress, the method is totally welcome. One thing that I'd like to suggest is that you don't waste too much time and attention on multiple software and methods because you'll loose focus. Focus is much more important than any other thing, and there are no magic methods or short cuts. Just keep that in mind. wink.gif


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Thanks Gab,

I know there are no shortcuts but sometimes it takes a different approach to break a plateau don't you think? I just thought the speed trainer might help overcome the trouble with the run in the Petrucci lesson by giving different patterns. Sometimes repeating the same thing over and over does nothing to help development, and that goes for many things not just guitar.
Anyway I emailed them and said I wasn't keen on the lack of structure and guidelines saying that I would give it a week and may ask for a refund. They got back to me with this which I think is pretty cool of them smile.gif Don't worry though, I am still working on everything, I just use the Speed Trainer as a kind of warm up wink.gif You're still da man cool.gif

Hi Phil,

Here are a few tips for you, which I hope will be useful and to the point:

1. In each exercise (including any play-along sequences that you can create yourself) you can change the speed curve, to fit your speed levels at that moment. Move the mouse over the little squares at the edges of the speed curve, click the mouse there, and drag the points to where you want them.

2. You should adjust the speed curves as often as it is needed. For example, you may be a little rusty when you start playing, and so you may need to lower the curve a bit. But after some rounds you may already become much faster, and therefore you should adjust your speed curve higher, so you always train in the zone.

3. Training "in the zone" means that A) the starting speed should be the highest speed at which you can play indefinitely without mistakes,
cool.gif the top speed should be where you can barely play along, even for a short time, and C) the final speed should be somewhere between A and B, as fast as possible while still playing without errors, or with very few errors, while building stamina.

4. About which drill to practice, and how long: Gradually rotate through the exercises with this guiding principle: continue practicing the same drill as long as you feel you are making progress. When you reach a "plateau", rotate to the next drill. In other words: start exercise 1. As long as you feel that every time you loop through the exercise you are making it a bit better than last time, continue with the same. That may be as short as one minute, or as long as 15 minutes. But as long as you feel you are making some progress, stay on the same exercise. When you feel you have reached a flat point, move to the next exercise. In this way, you will usually not play all the exercises every session, or even every day, but that's OK.

5. Depending on how many sessions you practice in a day, or on whether you practice every day or not, it may be that you make a complete rotation of all drills every several days, or maybe also in the same day, if you practice many sessions every day, it depends on your overall goals.

6. Keep in mind that your brain and your muscles continue learning even when you are not practicing. It's like watering a tree (the
practice) and then waiting for the plant to grow (the breaks). So, even if you, for example, spend a lot of time practicing during a weekend, you may feel some progress immediately, but you will also feel that some more progress has taken place several days later, even if you didn't practice further in that time.

7. Another very important rule: try to be as relaxed as possible, mentally and physically, when practicing. The muscles that you need to flex to play very fast, are relatively few, and relatively small.
Every other muscle in your body should be relaxed. Repeatedly, check yourself, "scan" yourself from head to toe, and remind yourself to relax everywhere, breathing in a smooth way as well (avoid holding the breath, although a bit of breath holding is normal and harmless, but once again, always aim at maximum relaxation)

I hope the above is useful. I'll happily refund the course if you don't find it useful, but I hope that you'll be able to get massive benefits from it. Please do ask me any time you have a question, like you did now.

Furthermore, if you tell me a bit about yourself, your current skill level, your specific guitar goals, and maybe some guitarists or musicians whom you'd like to learn from, perhaps I can give you some further tips, or send you some additional personalized exercises (remember that you can create your own exercises, melody lines, etc.
to practice with the speed curve -- let me know if you need any help with that too.)

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Hi Phil,

That's a very interesting feedback from them. From what I can see, this software can be an useful tool to master everything that gives you technical issues. Using a tool like this one and even metronome are good excuses to stay focused while practising an exercises or a new lick so I think that it's a great idea to give it a chance and try it during one week more. As that guy said, you won't note big results on the short term but be sure that if you practice wisely, every day, focused, playing relaxed, doing smaller movement, you'll progress.

I'm really curious to know what you think after some more days of practice.



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