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Hi Phil, thanks for the updated. Yeah, this lesson seems to be simple but it's more difficult than it seems. Also, I think that it has the content of 2 lessons, because of the rhythm and solo sections. The solo part includes many licks that are exactly the type of licks that you asked to learn at the double stop thread.

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Thanks Gab and thanks for your kind words about my mom smile.gif


Jack White Lesson. 35 minutes (Total time 140):

Wow this lesson is hard. I am not going to give up on this one but it is very tricky for me. The long part with the double stops in is tricky to remember the pattern because it doesn't really repeat. What I find odd is, I can remember more of it if I just play the high E string, I've been doing that to try to remember it but when I go back to the double stops I get mixed up again laugh.gif I find this really odd because the frets are the same rolleyes.gif I think we're in for a long stop over in Jack White City cool.gif

Played my repertoire of Rock Steady and Highway To Hell three times each. Still struggling to get the bridge in the right place in Highway but it will come. AC DC is harder than I thought smile.gif

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hahah yeah, it's tricky to remember this type of stuff, mostly when you are not the composer. Rockers tend to play what's natural for them and that can be different for every person.

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Thanks Gab,

Jack White Lesson. 30 minutes (Total time 170):
Ok Gab, I'm going to lock myself away until I have go the WHOLE of this lesson down at 60% speed, then I'll record it and post it. Then I'll gradually increase the speed. If I get stuck on a particular part that I can't nail I'll post here. Is that ok with you? I don't really see the point in posting when there is no significant improvement or a problem. LOVING THIS LESSON even though it's bloody hard biggrin.gif

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I'm using Highway To Hell and Rock Steady as a warm up allowing me to get tighter with them and improve my improv skills. I have noticed that I play similar licks in both but in a different way with each track. I will post one of each soon for you to critique. I've got to brush up on Rock Steady, I'm a bit rusty, I neglected it a little bit.

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Hi Phil,

this sounds ok for me. I think that you can divide your work on Jack White's lesson in two: rhythm and solo. I think that the difficulty between both is different and that maybe you'll need more repetitions of the solo than the rhythm in order to master the whole thing.



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Thanks Gab,

So practice up to 0:43 separately to after 0:43 until I get it locked down?

I'm on it. Fiddly little bugger this track is laugh.gif

Jack White Lesson. 30 minutes (10 rhythm, 20 solo) (Total time 200)

It has helped a lot splitting it, I don't know why I didn't think of that approach rolleyes.gif , thanks for that mate smile.gif .

Repertoire:

Wooohooooo, I hit the bridge part in Highway to Hell cool.gif I also think the improv is getting better. Still very basic as you would expect at my level but I can notice a difference.

Ok, it's lockdown time. I'll be back cool.gif


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Thanks Gab,

I know I said I'm locking myself away but I can't laugh.gif

Jack White Lesson. 40 minutes (15 rhythm, 30 solo) (Total time 240)

I recorded this at 72bpm (80%). I know the chord section is scruffy, I struggle to play the chord and get back to the 7th fret but I'm going to slow that down and just play the from the bar before to the bar after the open chords for 20 minutes to get them smooth. What do you think about the general feel and tone?

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/rhythm-80

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Hi Phil,

The tone feels good, but I'm not at the right place now to judge it perfectly so I'll be back again regarding tone from my studio. Your playing feels good too, however there are some tuning issues when you play chords at 00:15, 00:31 and 00:38. I think that your guitar is out of tune, or maybe it's related to fingers pressure.

The riffs (single note lines) are ok, but there is still work to do in order to make everything sound less shy and with more groove (as well as dynamics).

Even with the lesson divided in two, you could also divide each of the blocks in smaller blocks, in order to work on the things that I've commented here.





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Thanks Gab,

Yeah, the chord thing is usually my finger pressure. When I'm learning a tune, and there are quick chord changes or chords that I'm not used to I find I grip the neck hard because my fingers aren't in a position that is natural to them or I'm having to play the chord and leave it quickly. The guitar is fully in tune and has been set up at PRS Europe by Nick Fraser who sets up Ace of Skunk Anansie's guitars, I also think the groove comes once the tune is remembered and you don't have to think about it so much so you are relaxed.

I hope this makes sense. smile.gif Please correct me if you think I am wrong wink.gif

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Thanks Gab smile.gif

A big part of learning guitar is learning how to learn I think, and it's different for all of us, it's finding what suits yourself that is one of the biggest challenges I think wink.gif

Jack White Lesson. 50 minutes (20 rhythm, 30 solo) (Total time 340)

Spent a fair bit of time on this little bit tonight. I think the chords get better as this piece goes on. I have noticed myself not hitting all of the strings though. It's amazing what your mind seems to fill in when you are playing laugh.gif Can you hear any improvements? Again this is at 80%

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/bar-chord-bar-rhythm

Oooops, I've just realised I may have been learning the solo part incorrectly. I was getting the note sequence in my head using GP5 and I've just watched your video and realised that you are hammering on and pulling off a lot and also using slides instead of picking the notes. I guess I'll have to re-train my fingers because I have been picking every note. Back to square 1 rolleyes.gif

Cheers Gab smile.gif

UPDATE 26th October 2016:

Jack White Lesson. 50 minutes (20 rhythm, 30 solo) (Total time 290)

Played with your backing at 80%. Still struggling to get the groove feeling but it will come. Also the chords need to be much cleaner.
https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/jack-white-rhythm-intro-80-26-11-2016

Still struggling along with the solo. The hardest part for me isn't the playing, though that is tricky, it's remembering it all. For some reason this is like a whole big tongue twister and I get bits mixed up with other bits laugh.gif and as I said above I've got to re-learn it because I didn't spot how you played the notes until last night rolleyes.gif I know it would be a ball ache but maybe the TAB in future lessons could have whether the note is picked or hammered or slid to? The tab for this has Quarter note, sixteenth not etc. I think the fingering would be more useful to a student. What do you think?

Here's where I am with the solo. Half speed. I can play parts of it much quicker than this but not clean. It's a little bugger this lesson but I'm thoroughly enjoying it and don't care how long it takes, it's all good smile.gif
https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/jack-white-solo-up-to-double-stops-50-26-11-2016

And here it is at 80%
https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/jack-white-solo-up-to-double-stops-80-26-11-2016

One other thing mate, the GP5 file is incorrect. It's not a major issue but it caught me out when I first played along with backing laugh.gif In the lesson, bars 9 and 10 are repeated but in the GP5 file they are only played once wink.gif


EDIT: I just realised after posting that I am supposed to be altering my fingering for the solo rather than picking every note rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

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Hi Phil,

I'll re-check the guitar pro file regarding this issues that you've noted. I'll re-upload a new version in case I consider it necessary. By the way, I think that all this exercise of learning, hearing, checking tab, checking the video, checking again tabs, and again HEARING, is very valuable for you! Imagine those days in which we only had a tdk cassette to rewind and forward in order to learn licks, and parts from songs. That's what helps us to train our ears, so congrats on doing it.

I've checked each of the audios and I think that this is going on the right direction. I think that the riff is sounding groovier and more natural now on this new takes. The solo is off course more difficult and needs more time in order to adjust everything, but you can already play the part learnt, now you need to polish it.

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Thank for you great comments Gab smile.gif

Jack White Lesson. 30 minutes (all spent on solo) (Total time 370) I've blown the fives hours ohmy.gif


Still working on it all but very short on time this evening hence the short update. Could you please check the TAB below. I've analysed you and this is what I think you're doing in bar 15. P=pick, PO=pull off, HO= hammer on.

----12br--10------------------------------|
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P PO P PO P PO P HO P S P PO P


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Hi Phil, check it out:

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Thanks Gab,

That confirms what I thought smile.gif

Jack White Lesson. 35 minutes (all spent on solo) (Total time 405) I've blown the five hours ohmy.gif

Can you check this out and see what you think about left and right hand please? It's took a while to unlearn how I was playing it, my right hand kept on wanting to pick every note laugh.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WPNCVAAgIs


I'm over our 5 hour "deadline" for video submission on this one but I still think this is the best system for me. A lesson and a song with improv solos seems great at the moment regardless of how long it takes. You know I don't fanny around with my practice so, if it takes a long time it is what I need to get it right. This assignment is different to the last two because the lesson has taken longer than the song and I still haven't got it into my fingers yet biggrin.gif I think this is the trickiest lesson I've tried so far but I will get there eventually.

I'l be working on the last few bars now, the rhythm of the double stop section is eluding me at the moment, once I have that down, I'll polish the lot and post to REC when I'm happy with it.

Still practicing Highway To Hell and Rock Steady, I play them about three times each. For some reason now I'm having a problem coming back in after the chorus with Rock Steady, I think I'm just a bit rusty because I left it alone for a while wink.gif On Rock Steady, I'm also trying to throw in some little fills and get back on time with the rythm, that's harder than I thought.

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Hi Phil, the video looks great. Both hands are doing the right thing with this lick. Well done!

Yeah, I think that this is not only the trickier lesson, this is also a 2 in 1 lesson, so you'll need twice the time you need for a normal lesson. By the way, I find your videos really promising. Keep going.


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Thanks Gab,

Well I've tried hard tonight but I have a dose of Man Flu and feel like cack sad.gif Coughing and sneezing and aching all over dry.gif

Jack White Lesson. 50 minutes on whole song up to Bar 19 (Total time 455)

I can play the rhythm intro at 100% with not quite clean clean chords. The rest, some I can play at 90%. The double stop section I'm chugging along at 60%. When I get to bar 19 (see TAB below) the hurdle at the moment is getting to that 14th fret from the 7th, even at 60% I'm missing it so I'm going to drop down to 25% for that part tomorrow, unless I feel worse than I do now, and then I'm off to my cot wink.gif

--7-14-14-14-14-17-17-17-17-14-14-14-14-19-19-19-|
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I did three of each Highway To Hell and Rock Steady too smile.gif

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Thanks Gab,

I was drained mate. I couldn't manage it tonight. Hopefully I'll be a bit better tomorrow. I'm managing to do a day at work but as it's manual work on my feet for nine hours, I'm worn out when I get home.

I will be back on it ASAP buddy, you know that wink.gif

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