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ElHombre
post Jan 14 2015, 04:32 PM
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Hello, I have EZ drummer, but the package with advanced time signatures are too groovy to start writing on.
By that I mean, I would rather have just basic beats with only kick and snare in different time signatures, I prefer to write music that way.

Or can anyone show me how to write drums easily in a midi editor?
I somehow always screw up when I try to change the time signature, I watched vids and so on but
its like I cant add measures in the editor and it always ends up in 4/4 which is the default value

I use reaper


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post Jan 15 2015, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE (ElHombre @ Jan 14 2015, 04:32 PM) *
Or can anyone show me how to write drums easily in a midi editor?


Well this could be a possible topic for Bogdan's beginner series.

I don't think tricky time signatures is Bogdan's speciality, but if I get you right you would want to know the basics of programming drums midi/piano roll style?


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post Jan 15 2015, 02:49 PM
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Unfortunately adding more than one different time signature in the tempo track is assigned to each DAW individually. Probably there is nothing simpler than manual midi drawing. But first of all You need to understand some basics of playing drums. Relation between speed and dynamics, number of hand than can actually play at the same time...etc smile.gif

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post Jan 15 2015, 05:33 PM
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Hi mate, I've just given you a tip at Gab's Army thread about programming drums, please check it out. I don't use Reaper, but applying what I suggested and drawing drums using piano roll should be an easy thing. I checked at youtube and I found this video that explains everything you need to know to write drum midi tracks:



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post Jan 15 2015, 05:45 PM
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Hi!
For me the best starting point it's a drum machine.
try this, it's free and after you can export the midi files to a daw for final touchs... http://www.hydrogen-music.org/

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post Jan 15 2015, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Jan 15 2015, 01:49 PM) *
Unfortunately adding more than one different time signature in the tempo track is assigned to each DAW individually. Probably there is nothing simpler than manual midi drawing. But first of all You need to understand some basics of playing drums. Relation between speed and dynamics, number of hand than can actually play at the same time...etc smile.gif

The earlier You make Yourself learn this, the sooner You'll see how essentialit is for Your future projects.


True that.
I think the best thing would be to actually learn to play real drums, but I dont even have time to play as much guitar as I want.

I will try to learn more the concept and theory behind drums.
I think a good step would be to just be able to freely write drums in any desired time signature.

I know how kick and snare works togheter, and with those 2 tools, write in all possible signatures.

Then learn more about the other elements of drums.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 15 2015, 04:33 PM) *
Hi mate, I've just given you a tip at Gab's Army thread about programming drums, please check it out. I don't use Reaper, but applying what I suggested and drawing drums using piano roll should be an easy thing. I checked at youtube and I found this video that explains everything you need to know to write drum midi tracks:



Thanks Gab that will help a lot.

Do you or anyone also know a video where the maybe explain writing in different time signatures and just doing basic drums?
Explaning a bit about the elements and so on, the different components?



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post Jan 15 2015, 09:52 PM
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Elhombre, please check out this thread - it might give you some ideas about different time signatures : https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=53615

You are touching upon a very interesting and a bit complex subject. Playing drums in different time signatures can indeed get a bit tricky for drummers as they need to accent certain beats specifically. Maybe the simplest way to think and try writing it down is to find the closest "regular" time signature and take away some notes. For inspiration purposes, I'd recommend searching youtube with keywords like : "drum beat in 7/8" (and change the time signature)

Here is a good video on 7/8 beat :



Notice how the drummer thinks 8/8 and just takes away one eight note?
Basically just "cuts" the beat/loop he is playing to end on any hit which was played on 7th beat (in case he was counting it in eighth notes like this 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8) and then he re-starts the groove from the beginning (beat 1). This is cool thing about drums, imagine if you would be playing a riff on guitar in 8/8 and to play 7/8 you just cut the last 8th note and don't play, rather just re-start the riff from the beginning. WIth guitar and other instruments it becomes a problem as you might ruin the musical idea/melody while with drums - it is usually just a "hit" you are cutting and doesn't make that much problem when doing so.

I know this is confusing and you and Kristofer gave me a great idea of recording a lesson on the topic of basic drums midi programming. Could you please help me by writing more about what you find confusing/hard in the process of programming drums for your songs in general? Any insights you could share would be very helpful and appreciated smile.gif

Since I don't have enough experience playing with drummers who used odd time signatures, I'd need to keep it basic.
We can discuss and share ideas about programming different time signatures here though as it is something I'm also interested to know more about.


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post Jan 16 2015, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE (ElHombre @ Jan 14 2015, 07:32 AM) *
Hello, I have EZ drummer, but the package with advanced time signatures are too groovy to start writing on.
By that I mean, I would rather have just basic beats with only kick and snare in different time signatures, I prefer to write music that way.

Or can anyone show me how to write drums easily in a midi editor?
I somehow always screw up when I try to change the time signature, I watched vids and so on but
its like I cant add measures in the editor and it always ends up in 4/4 which is the default value

I use reaper



Ez Drummer has a *lot* of pre-canned grooves in 4/4, 2/4, 3/4, your standards basically. I would assign Ez drummer to a track in reaper, then I would drag a few samples directly from the EZ drummer grooves library onto the track - then you can double click the midi segment you just dropped onto reaper, and edit notes by deleting, moving, raising lowering attributes such as velocity. That will at least get you going quicker than say, learning how to play drums smile.gif

If you'd like me to make a video on how I do basic editing stuff, I'd be happy to show you how i go about it.

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post Jan 16 2015, 01:12 AM
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This vid might help with editing the bars in Reaper:



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