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Gabriel Leopardi
post Jan 17 2015, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE (huargo @ Jan 17 2015, 12:01 PM) *
Thanks for your comments Gabriel, i'm totally agree.
The only thing it's the weird notes in 00:20 to 00:25... i really like the rhythm pattenr in that moment, i don't wanna lose that thing... Are they so bad ?
I'll try to find another with the same pattern.

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Yeah, I also like the rhythmic pattern. The notes choices in this case is a matter of taste, so if you like them, keep them, but I'd suggest to make the bends more consistent.


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post Jan 17 2015, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (huargo @ Jan 17 2015, 09:15 AM) *
hi i'm in too smile.gif
A working progress take... i'll change some notes and i really need to improve my timing. Lot of timing issues...
But cool Baking track. Thanks for this collab
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Hey Huargo,

This was very cool - and it's really fresh to hear a more fusion sounding playing over this super cliché:ish rock backing track.

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00:02 to 00:05- The first phrase should have more impact. It starts a bit shy.


About this, you can probably get away with the current phrase if you add some more character/expression to it. Maybe pay it a bit more behind the beat, and get a bit bluesier with it. Let us know if you need more suggestions.

I really like super accented pattern starting at 00:10.

I am pretty much on the same page as Gab (except for the bends at 00:08 which didn't strike me as that bad until I saw Gabs comment).

To me - the biggest improvement you can make, is change direction of the chorus part (00:18). You gave us some fusion in the beginning and then you go completely fusion wacko with note choice on the chorus.

I can listen with my "fusion ear" and maybe let it pass, but from a songwriting perspective I would advise you to completely skip the fusion on the chorus and go for a powerful melody only built around strong notes.

I think this would make up for a killer contrast to the first section, that would send shivers down our spine!

QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Jan 17 2015, 10:32 AM) *
I know exactly what you mean I think, and you're 100% right about how I approached making my solo. I just thought of a couple licks I could use (like you said really cliche stuff) and made one or two up.

So adding more melody... Should I remove/shorten one or 2 licks and try bridge my licks with something more melodic that actually works and connects them? In my oppinion melody seems kind of limited using a pentatonic scale... I never really can get anything above average sounding if I want it to sound melodic, especially if I'm using a pentatonic scale.. Any advice?

Thanks!


You got some great advice from Gab and Chris - try those scales suggested. Or even better - maybe experiment with "unidentified" notes outside of the pentatonic scale and see how they sound to you.

You are likely to land on the notes/scales suggested anyway, but the approach I suggested is more personal and musical than just looking at a new scale diagram.

You could also start by finding some notes from the pentatonic scale which you think work well, and then play "outside" notes just before them. With "outside" notes - I just mean notes that are not in the pentatonic scale (there are many that still sound very strong).

Also remember some of the best sounding choruses out there, just use 1-3 notes from the pentatonic scale over a killer backing track. You have the backing track and the scale... GO!! wink.gif Sometimes the best melodies will come from just slamming a single note over a cool backing, so maybe you are making things too difficult, running up and down advanced scales?

Maybe you just need to find 1-2 cool notes and bend the hell out of them? smile.gif Shut the lights, close your eyes - and GO FOR IT! cool.gif

Let me know if all this makes sense?


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post Jan 17 2015, 09:13 PM
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Thanks so much for the advice guys!

I'm gonna completely forget my flashier licks and start playing melody over the backing track with mixolydian. After I have something good from it I'll add in some of the licks again. Does this sound like an okay idea?
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post Jan 17 2015, 09:18 PM
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OK here NUMBER TWO record a bit different .

I recognize that i have to get more on exercising playing in time - timing - an old issue of mine smile.gif huh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/raven-wolffriend/acdc-collab-with-backing-2


https://soundcloud.com/raven-wolffriend/acdc-collab-no-backing-2
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post Jan 17 2015, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Jan 17 2015, 09:13 PM) *
Thanks so much for the advice guys!

I'm gonna completely forget my flashier licks and start playing melody over the backing track with mixolydian. After I have something good from it I'll add in some of the licks again. Does this sound like an okay idea?


Yes that's exactly how I would do it!


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post Jan 17 2015, 10:28 PM
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Hey everyone, just wondering if I still have the wrong idea with this take?

https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/acdc-collab3-nick6373-good-take
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post Jan 17 2015, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Jan 17 2015, 09:28 PM) *
Hey everyone, just wondering if I still have the wrong idea with this take?

https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/acdc-collab3-nick6373


Wow I really like it,congrats!!Though it was on B mixolydian, that thunderstruck bridge lick blew me away and blended nicely biggrin.gif
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post Jan 17 2015, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE (SubbedChris @ Jan 17 2015, 09:49 PM) *
Wow I really like it,congrats!!Though it was on B mixolydian, that thunderstruck bridge lick blew me away and blended nicely biggrin.gif

Thanks Chris! I was suprised how nicely the thunderstruck lick blended in tbh
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post Jan 18 2015, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE (Dieterle @ Jan 17 2015, 09:18 PM) *
OK here NUMBER TWO record a bit different .

I recognize that i have to get more on exercising playing in time - timing - an old issue of mine smile.gif huh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/raven-wolffriend/acdc-collab-with-backing-2


https://soundcloud.com/raven-wolffriend/acdc-collab-no-backing-2


Your playing here is better, and until ~00:14 timing issues are not that frequent. So whatever you did, it worked!

Could you please do more of this and try to get completely rid of the timing issues? Let me know your thoughts!

Soundwise - although your current tone is cool - but it does not work very well with the mix. I suggest reverting to you previous sound which was bright without lots of low frequencies - and therefor made you tone stand out without masking Gab's rhythm guitar.

QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Jan 17 2015, 10:28 PM) *
Hey everyone, just wondering if I still have the wrong idea with this take?

https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/acdc-collab3-nick6373-good-take
(changed to a better take)


YEAH!! This is much better - up until the chorus (00:20) it is much smoother and musical - and your choice of tone and licks again is very tasty.

The whole take now is at a much better level - but if you still want to tweak, I would suggest addressing the chorus (starting at 00:20). Here I still get the impression you have stacked a bunch of licks.

It would be really cool if you could play a melody an octave higher up, without lots of licks. Try to emulate some vocal lines by using bends and vibrato.


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post Jan 18 2015, 10:53 AM
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Hey Kris sure i do more records !

This evening i go for a noter one with the first sound settings .

With the second record i tested my garageband software usually i use the one from zoom g3 . cool.gif
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post Jan 18 2015, 11:08 AM
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great collab, i'll give it a shot.
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post Jan 18 2015, 12:43 PM
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here some rough sunday morning ideas.
really rough, need to clean and make everything sound tight but there's plenty of time before the deadline wink.gif

https://soundcloud.com/motorcitygill/gmcdc-1
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post Jan 18 2015, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (Dieterle @ Jan 17 2015, 05:18 PM) *
OK here NUMBER TWO record a bit different .

I recognize that i have to get more on exercising playing in time - timing - an old issue of mine smile.gif huh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/raven-wolffriend/acdc-collab-with-backing-2


https://soundcloud.com/raven-wolffriend/acdc-collab-no-backing-2


Hi mate, great to hear a new take from you. The main problem on this one is timing. The second half of this solo needs to be adjustment so the best would be to work on blocks, and try to play the licks tight with the backing. Another suggestion would be to simplify the trickier parts. There are some licks that have more notes (and faster) that are the ones that have more important timing issues.

I also think that the previous tone had a warmer EQ that fits better with the backing so I would get back to it. The only thing that it was lacking was some sustain, so maybe the same tone with a bit more drive.






QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Jan 17 2015, 06:28 PM) *
Hey everyone, just wondering if I still have the wrong idea with this take?

https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/acdc-collab3-nick6373-good-take
(changed to a better take)



Wou!! This is a very cool take man! You could really improve your previous work. I think that all the licks are played very well, you tone is warm and enjoyable, with the right amount of sustain for those licks.

If you would keep it like this it would be great. Just to add some extra feedback that comes to mind:

- The first half is mind blowing. Every new lick makes the solo grow and makes the solo evolve naturally and keeps my attention and enjoyment.

- The second half of the solo is ok, but as you repeat some ideas, and rhythms, the overal excitement decreases a bit. Maybe some more agressive bends, double stop licks, a new epic melody, or something like that could make the job here.

- This can be just a matter of taste, but I'm not totally happy with the note repeated at 00:18. It doesn't sound bad, but I would make some kind of change to avoid the repetition. Maybe a chromatic movement that releases to A)¡?


Ok, once again, your solo is killer! Congratulations.



QUOTE (Gill @ Jan 18 2015, 08:43 AM) *
here some rough sunday morning ideas.
really rough, need to clean and make everything sound tight but there's plenty of time before the deadline wink.gif

https://soundcloud.com/motorcitygill/gmcdc-1



Hi Gill! Thanks for your take for this one! I think that it's a good first step and that with some work it can be converted into a nice solo. I like the composition until 00:14, it rocker, groovy and has a good sense of melody and phrasing. I also like what happens when the chorus starts until 00:25. The other sections need some more creative ideas and variations, some longer notes, double string bends, faster phrases, or other ideas that can add something different here.

Besides the composing dimension which is not bad, I would make some emphasis on improving your tone, feeling and technique. (Also, take care of your guitar tuning). I feel that you need a warmer tone for this one, work on EQ, try to add bass and mids, or see what happens if you lower treble. Once you are more convinced with what you are playing, take care of how you play it. Be careful with your bending pitches, and try to give your phrasing more vibrato, and dynamics.

Please keep on work these tips and suggestions and share your progress here, it will be a very good training and we will monitor and help all we can. wink.gif


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post Jan 18 2015, 06:27 PM
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Hello everyday one record - here it is ! tongue.gif

TIMING is real hard but i hope my ears getting better by time .

Gabriel i think i should concentrate - beside this collab - much more on only timing exercises .
I do recognize the rhythm timing but just do not get it into my movements - feeling its kind of strange, like starting to walk .
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Ok :

https://soundcloud.com/raven-wolffriend/acdc-coll-backing-3

https://soundcloud.com/raven-wolffriend/acdc-coll-no-backing
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post Jan 18 2015, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 17 2015, 08:46 PM) *
Hey Huargo,

This was very cool - and it's really fresh to hear a more fusion sounding playing over this super cliché:ish rock backing track.



About this, you can probably get away with the current phrase if you add some more character/expression to it. Maybe pay it a bit more behind the beat, and get a bit bluesier with it. Let us know if you need more suggestions.

I really like super accented pattern starting at 00:10.

I am pretty much on the same page as Gab (except for the bends at 00:08 which didn't strike me as that bad until I saw Gabs comment).

To me - the biggest improvement you can make, is change direction of the chorus part (00:18). You gave us some fusion in the beginning and then you go completely fusion wacko with note choice on the chorus.

I can listen with my "fusion ear" and maybe let it pass, but from a songwriting perspective I would advise you to completely skip the fusion on the chorus and go for a powerful melody only built around strong notes.

I think this would make up for a killer contrast to the first section, that would send shivers down our spine!


Kris Thanks for your comments, are always welcome .
Totally agree with change of the beginning .
Then again I 'm a little reluctant to change the choir parts but tomorrow I will listen with fresh ears and do a little jam with the song to see what happens ... not tell me anything lol.smile.gif
The good thing about this backing track is that it's hard to get tired of making jams with . lol

On the other hand I would highlight the level of the takes here smile.gif



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post Jan 18 2015, 09:43 PM
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Hey guys, so I have an idea for a double stop lick to throw in right after the 20 second mark, but I was wondering if I could get some advice...

Attached File  DoubleStopLick.mp3 ( 100K ) Number of downloads: 63

It fits in really nice after 0:21 but I have one problem: I wanna be able to fit in my tapping lick right after the double stops and not have it sound like I just tossed it in there randomly, you know what I mean? I need to connect the two somehow without making it too long... Any ideas?

Thanks!
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QUOTE (Gill @ Jan 18 2015, 12:43 PM) *
here some rough sunday morning ideas.
really rough, need to clean and make everything sound tight but there's plenty of time before the deadline wink.gif

https://soundcloud.com/motorcitygill/gmcdc-1


Thanks Gill, its very cool to hear your take.

I think your take is much better than it sounds. What I mean by this is that your licks and solo construction is tasty. And I think your vibrato is a bit unique with Hendrixy vibes. I don't really hear any super serious problems with your playing.

However as Gab said, your sound is working against you! How did you record? I hear some very harsh treble frequencies and possibly some kind of small room reverb that makes your guitar clash with the rest of the mix.

I don't think you have got a lot of work ahead of you to turn this into a decent take, and from there we can work together to make it a killer take! cool.gif


QUOTE (Dieterle @ Jan 18 2015, 06:27 PM) *
Gabriel i think i should concentrate - beside this collab - much more on only timing exercises .
I do recognize the rhythm timing but just do not get it into my movements - feeling its kind of strange, like starting to walk .


Agreed, you should definitely work on this. Once fixed it will take your playing up to a new level.

I think at this point - it is more fruitful for you to focus on just timing a couple of weeks. Perhaps using this backing track.

I will discuss this with Gab right away and he'll get back to you. Watch this space!



QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Jan 18 2015, 09:43 PM) *
Hey guys, so I have an idea for a double stop lick to throw in right after the 20 second mark, but I was wondering if I could get some advice...

Attached File  DoubleStopLick.mp3 ( 100K ) Number of downloads: 63

It fits in really nice after 0:21 but I have one problem: I wanna be able to fit in my tapping lick right after the double stops and not have it sound like I just tossed it in there randomly, you know what I mean? I need to connect the two somehow without making it too long... Any ideas?

Thanks!


To make it sound like you didn't throw it in randomly, you probably want the tapping lick to begin where you ended the previous lick. So best is if you can begin the tapping lick without changing position or even lifting your fingers.

I think these kinds of tapping licks are very flexible and you can play them in ascending or descending, and in any scale or arpeggio. This is probably also why Greg uses them so frequently:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Greg-Howe-Tapping/


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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jan 17 2015, 09:30 AM) *
iPhone has a very good potential to be a quality guitar and music recording device.

Please check out these two interesting posts in the other thread where we discuss different options for recording on iOS platform (iPhone, iPad) :

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=704068
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=704069

Please let me know if this is something you'd be interested in setting up, if so I think instructor Todd Simpson will be able to provide you with details how to go about it as he has first hand experience. From my research, one needs to get an audio interface which plugs into the iPhone to enable high quality recording on this device. You basically get to plug in your guitar into this device and capture it on the phone which is awesome and practical smile.gif

Now, I'm not sure this can be done for free but I've seen those devices (mostly referring to device/product called iRig) for pretty affordable prices being available.

Do you have possibilities to record on your PC?
This collaboration doesn't require video recording, just audio tracks.

Probably the easiest solution and workaround to go about this would be to record your takes like this using your iPhone :

1. Open the voice memo app in the iphone
2. Put your iphone close to the speakers/guitar amp and try to adjust the volume of the speakers/amp not to be too loud
3. Record your playing over the backing track
4. Post your take here for feedback

Collabs do require also a "guitar only take", for inclusion in the final mix. To do this, you could have your iphone close to your guitar amp or computer speakers but in case of computer speakers you'd need to make sure only guitar is heard there and somehow have the backing track routed, playing on your headphones (you could play the backing track using ipod or similar device in your headphones) ....all this in order to record "GUITAR ONLY" take where there is no backing track heard only guitar.

I'd suggest recording and posting your guitar + backing mix audio first in this thread following steps above to get feedback on your performance and possible improvement suggestions. Once you have your take set in stone, you could try to record the "guitar only" version of it where there is no backing track heard.

In any case, I think you should participate if only by shooting video just like you are used to (in case audio recording is too complicated or doesn't work) - all in order to get feedback here in the thread.

Please let me know if you have any follow up questions or need any help along the way?

Thanks im definitely going to give this a try
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This is my first recording!

I'm open for comments.
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