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Rileyandrew29
post Jan 17 2015, 09:31 PM
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Woops!! I should of posted this in Theory forum!! rolleyes.gif

Hi Everyone

I am attempting to learn a song by ear (for the first time ever!!!) to improve my theory which is pretty poor. But I am struggling to determine what scales etc are used.
I've figured out more than half of the notes/chords played but obviously its important to understand the theory behind the song.
Or does this just come with experience?

Could anyone give me some guidance or point me in the right direction if it has been covered elsewhere.

The main intro riff starts C,B. C,B,C,D#,C,B. So i guess the key is B and the tonic/root is B? How do I work out what scale is used?
***I've been searching google for hours, could the scale be C minor with major seventh?

I'm confused lol
Any help would be much appreciated.

The song is Mutiny by Parkway Drive wink.gif and its in drop B tuning.

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Andy

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post Jan 18 2015, 12:27 AM
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I think the scale used is B Double Harmonic??!!

Then it seems to change to the C Japanese (Ichikosucho) Scale for the next part (E,B,C,F,B,C,D,C,D,B,C,E) etc

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post Jan 18 2015, 07:00 AM
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Try B Phrygian Dominant, it's the E harmonic minor scale starting at the 5th degree

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post Jan 18 2015, 03:36 PM
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Hi mate, this is something that will be smoother with practice so don't worry if nowadays you are not able to find the scale soon. You are in the learning process and all the information that you get now will stay with your for the future. This means that once you discover the scale used on this song, you will be able to identify it everytime you find it in another song.

In order to learn the key of a song, the first thing that you need to find is the root. The note that seems to give the overal tone to the track. This note usually is repeated many times, used to start and finish the song, progressions, riffs, melodies, etc. Once you get it, you have half of the work done. The next thing is to identify the scale or mode used.

For this you can write down all the notes and chords played by guitar, and if it's not enough, you can also learn the vocal melodies. Once you have it, you can start trying to discover what scale is being used, starting by the simpler ones: Major, minor, blues scale. If you don't find the notes on this ones, you can start with modes and other variations. Once you get used to this, you will be able to know what scales are most used on some styles.

For example, neoclassical metal loves Harmonic minor scale, and diminished scales, if you don't find the scale on the simpler, you will want to try with these ones.

Thrash and extreme metal, loves minor, phrygian, phrygian major and harmonic minor so this are the best choices to try.

If you are on blues, rock, southern, you will want to try mixolydian mode.

If the tune is jazzy sounding, you will want to also try dorian, and melodic minor.

This are just some little guidelines that will grow in you with the pass of time, and with practice learning and analysing songs. Please be patient and enjoy the journey. wink.gif


PS: The songs that you are analysing seems to be B Phrygian major.


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post Jan 18 2015, 06:09 PM
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Thank you both for your comments smile.gif

Gabriel your response has been a massive help. I have been at this all weekend, analazing and looking for a scale match.

B Phrygian Major seems to be the one ......finally lol biggrin.gif

Also, I'm sure your comparison of scales with certain style's, will come in very handy.

Thanks again.
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post Jan 19 2015, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (Rileyandrew29 @ Jan 18 2015, 02:09 PM) *
Thank you both for your comments smile.gif

Gabriel your response has been a massive help. I have been at this all weekend, analazing and looking for a scale match.

B Phrygian Major seems to be the one ......finally lol biggrin.gif

Also, I'm sure your comparison of scales with certain style's, will come in very handy.

Thanks again.
Andy


Hi mate! Great to know this. Feel free to post your analysis here or at Gab's Army to check what you get and to keep on adding "possible" scales to your knowledge. smile.gif


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