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Jim S.
post Jan 31 2015, 10:41 PM
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Hey guys thus video is inspired from Dalton Santos fusion lick lesson. Ive taken a few modes, locrian, Phrygian, Dorian, Lydian and mixed them up a bit. I do like the mix between locrian and Lydian.

The other cool lick here involves maj/minor arpeggio with a little spash from the dominant scale.

How do you guys do it?

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post Feb 1 2015, 11:29 PM
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Hi Jim, this is a very cool video. It's a very good training for both our guitar skills and also for our ears. I can say that your phrasing doesn't sound like an exercise, there is a lot of music happening there. Well done!

I've seen Satriani doing something similar on this video: http://youtu.be/i43DIwB6Pok?t=1m29s


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post Feb 3 2015, 11:03 AM
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Hi Jim!
I identified a lot with you because in my first steps of sounding out I made these kind of experience mixing modes over one chord too!
Yeah and it really works as well! cool.gif It´s interesting because you can "create" new scales.

Here are some tips:

-Scales B Ionian B locrian (you will be working on two tonalities half step up and down) sounds very cool for exemple over a E pedal tone (you will be at the same time on lydian and phrygian atmosphere)

-Other cool point is to think about on harmonizing these "hybrid scales". Try it and taste a new universe of possibilities smile.gif

-The goal, as you get habituated with this, is not think so mathematical and focus on the sounds of the out notes. Develop the intervallic sensation on memory

-The rule is: There´s no rule smile.gif You can work with a hole chromatic scale, any note has a particular sound and emotion. When you get this the thing become be the verry interesting and funny.

I like the way you play, sounds musical! Keep on like this. That´s the way Jim and good luck!
And thank for mention my name, I´m very happy to see you inspired by the lesson!

Best!!!

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Hi Jim, this is a very cool video. It's a very good training for both our guitar skills and also for our ears. I can say that your phrasing doesn't sound like an exercise, there is a lot of music happening there. Well done!

I've seen Satriani doing something similar on this video: http://youtu.be/i43DIwB6Pok?t=1m29s


Hi Gabriel! That´s a very cool Satch´s video. I like him! smile.gif He has the characteristic of making long lines with a mode and change to another, and so on. Sounds great!
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post Feb 5 2015, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Feb 1 2015, 06:29 PM) *
Hi Jim, this is a very cool video. It's a very good training for both our guitar skills and also for our ears. I can say that your phrasing doesn't sound like an exercise, there is a lot of music happening there. Well done!

I've seen Satriani doing something similar on this video: http://youtu.be/i43DIwB6Pok?t=1m29s


Thanks Gab.... It's getting there.. Slowly as it should but I'm beginning to let go yet still have control too. For me with amount I practice in 2-3 years I should have really honed in on my style. Which I'm not quite sure where I fit in.

That satriani video I remember a similar version with Joe doing the same thing and at the time I watched it, it went right over my head. I agreed but never EXPERIMENted.

I'll tell you that the music I'm writing seems to go against the order of the major scale. Meaning just because the key says there should be a maj/min chord, I'm not using that theory as an end all. I'm finding my ears are leaning toward the sound when you mix them up a bit.
For example: when working on a classical piece I took note that Bach used dominant chords everywhere. Every chord seemed to be followed a secondary dominant. That's note how I write but have taken that idea.
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 5 2015, 10:06 AM) *
Thanks Gab.... It's getting there.. Slowly as it should but I'm beginning to let go yet still have control too. For me with amount I practice in 2-3 years I should have really honed in on my style. Which I'm not quite sure where I fit in.

That satriani video I remember a similar version with Joe doing the same thing and at the time I watched it, it went right over my head. I agreed but never EXPERIMENted.

I'll tell you that the music I'm writing seems to go against the order of the major scale. Meaning just because the key says there should be a maj/min chord, I'm not using that theory as an end all. I'm finding my ears are leaning toward the sound when you mix them up a bit.
For example: when working on a classical piece I took note that Bach used dominant chords everywhere. Every chord seemed to be followed a secondary dominant. That's note how I write but have taken that idea.



This is very interesting! That's how the most unique and creative ideas appear. We just let our mind and ears fly without thinking on theory, chord progressions rules and whatever. Just let the melodies and lines evolve and become something beautiful.

There is a song that I composed yesterday in which happened something cool. I have 4 measures for the chorus with 3 chords repeated twice. Once I recorded the part, I added drums and decided to sing a melody over. Once the 4 measures finished, the drums continued and I continued a melody just thinking on the line, not the chords I'd play there. After that I tried putting some chords, or a combination of both. The result has been a very unique chorus that evolves naturally but at the same time very fresh and unexpected. I honestly didn't analyze what's happening with harmony. I just let it be, as my ears wished. Now, I listen to it over and over, and I can't get enough. That's the beauty of music. smile.gif


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post Feb 6 2015, 06:21 PM
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If you're interested in modes, be sure to check out Frank Gambale's "Modes no more mystery".


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post Feb 7 2015, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE (Dallton Santos @ Feb 3 2015, 06:03 AM) *
Hi Jim!
I identified a lot with you because in my first steps of sounding out I made these kind of experience mixing modes over one chord too!
Yeah and it really works as well! cool.gif It´s interesting because you can "create" new scales.

Here are some tips:

-Scales B Ionian B locrian (you will be working on two tonalities half step up and down) sounds very cool for exemple over a E pedal tone (you will be at the same time on lydian and phrygian atmosphere)

-Other cool point is to think about on harmonizing these "hybrid scales". Try it and taste a new universe of possibilities smile.gif

-The goal, as you get habituated with this, is not think so mathematical and focus on the sounds of the out notes. Develop the intervallic sensation on memory

-The rule is: There´s no rule smile.gif You can work with a hole chromatic scale, any note has a particular sound and emotion. When you get this the thing become be the verry interesting and funny.

I like the way you play, sounds musical! Keep on like this. That´s the way Jim and good luck!
And thank for mention my name, I´m very happy to see you inspired by the lesson!

Best!!!



Hi Gabriel! That´s a very cool Satch´s video. I like him! smile.gif He has the characteristic of making long lines with a mode and change to another, and so on. Sounds great!
Cheers!!!


Hey Dalton thanks for your knowledge and taking the time to listen. I will indeed work on this in my practice. Seems to be a great way to warm up too. In your lesson I have memorized it fairly well but toward the end I get fumbly. But eventually I will bring the speed up a bit after some practice.
Take Care Man!

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If you're interested in modes, be sure to check out Frank Gambale's "Modes no more mystery".


That's funny you say that because I just saw the file today on my computer while going through guitar lessons from the past. I love frank. He has a jam that I love but can't remember the name. It's off his Truth in Shredding album????

In that video I think he uses a pedal tone and exemplifies how each scale tone as an interval sound. Right?

I'll have to revisit it. There are so many materials I have saved over the years that could keep me busy for a lifetime and on top of that there's GMC. Haha
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post Feb 7 2015, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 7 2015, 01:26 AM) *
That's funny you say that because I just saw the file today on my computer while going through guitar lessons from the past. I love frank. He has a jam that I love but can't remember the name. It's off his Truth in Shredding album????

In that video I think he uses a pedal tone and exemplifies how each scale tone as an interval sound. Right?

I'll have to revisit it. There are so many materials I have saved over the years that could keep me busy for a lifetime and on top of that there's GMC. Haha


Right on! That's exactly right! smile.gif I gotta rewatch it again. Might just do so now before sleep.


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