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Kristofer Dahl
post Feb 10 2015, 02:25 PM
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Forget about practice routines, long term goals and curricula...

Music is about relaxing and having fun - if you can do these two while playing guitar, you will be a winner.

If you can't yet...then this collab is for you!

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BACKING TRACKS:
Attached File  Funkit_gmc_collab.mp3 ( 1.38MB ) Number of downloads: 500

Attached File  funkit_collab_extended.mp3 ( 12.92MB ) Number of downloads: 210



In this "Funk It!" collab - we'll be able to play whatever we want, using (almost) any scale.

* Want to get into fusion? Try playing outside (=wrong sounding) notes over this backing.

* Maybe you want to try some funk scratching?

* Maybe just a straightforward pentatonic rock solo?

* Or why not write a riff?

This is a very flexible and extremely cool sounding backing track - thanks to Vinman56 and Gab!


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* Tempo is 105 bpm
* Deadline is 2015-03-03 ( NB: Extended to 2015-03-10)
* Although this is an audio collab, feel free to video record yourself as this will help you get better feedback.
* When you want to submit your final take, upload files in this topic (mp3 with at least 128 kbps quality, 16 bit wav files are welcome though). We need two files: 1. Your solo without the backing track 2. Your solo mixed with the backing track for reference.

Scale suggestions:

E Mixolydian:


E minor pentatonic:


Other scale suggestions: E major pentatonic, E dominant 7 arpeggio, chromatic scale, E minor scale, E phrygian dominant.

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Order or appearance:

GeneT95 + Kristofer Dahl: Dark atmosphere intro
Gabriel Leopardi + Rustix: Jane’s Addiction vibes and bends.
AkRich: Groovy phrasing with some Kristofer’s phrases appearances.
Cael + Phill66 + Rustix: Cael’s phrasing while Phill is funkying and Rustix shreds.
Doug Lane + Kristofer Dahl: Jam section
DeGroot + Procyon: Guitar solo. (with some Little appearance of Rustix and Kris)



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post Feb 10 2015, 05:40 PM
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I'm-a Mother-funker so I'm in!!
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post Feb 10 2015, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Feb 10 2015, 05:40 PM) *
I'm-a Mother-funker so I'm in!!
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FUNK YEAH!!! biggrin.gif I bet that's your van


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post Feb 10 2015, 07:36 PM
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biggrin.gif as a timing Specialist i always feel a bit funky so i am IN !

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post Feb 10 2015, 08:26 PM
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This is the perfect collab to get back to the GMC community ! I'm in!


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post Feb 10 2015, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (coffeeman @ Feb 10 2015, 09:26 PM) *
This is the perfect collab to get back to the GMC community ! I'm in!


Welcome back, Coffeeman! Good to see you again!


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post Feb 10 2015, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 10 2015, 05:46 PM) *
FUNK YEAH!!! biggrin.gif I bet that's your van

It might well be!!!
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post Feb 10 2015, 09:39 PM
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Ok Guys I took a little stab at this one. I like this track a lot!

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The Audio is below
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post Feb 10 2015, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 10 2015, 09:39 PM) *
Ok Guys I took a little stab at this one. I like this track a lot!

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The Audio is below


blink.gif Why didn't you tell me you're a fusion guy?! biggrin.gif

Wow this was a real fusion attempt, lots of cool ideas in here and solo construction is great. It's awesome to see your diversity!

You do some classic "modern" tricks here (is that a contradiction or what?!) - like contrasting rhythmic staccato sections with smooth legato lines. I haven't really got any comments as far as your solo construction goes - it was interesting to follow in a fusion:esque way.

If you want to go even more fusion you could add unpredictability by changing direction more often in your runs.

So instead of:

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you could do:

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6-7--------9------------------
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The big thing for you is to become more secure in your runs and licks, this is a general comment - the entire thing feels a bit shaky. This is not strange in any way since you delivered a cool idea in just a matter of hours.

But you should really take advantage of the fact that you able to come up with such an interesting mix of ideas - if you can play them convincingly you will blow us all away.

There are several ways to go about this, if you are happy playing the whole thing over and over to the point that you could do it in your sleep - then that's a good method. This works for me if I am really happy with my composition and it stimulates me musically over and over.

If I need to get something down as fast as possible, I will usually break it down in sections. Typically I will have marker points (in my DAW) a bar before each lick. This way I can super effectively practice one lick 10 times in a row over the backing track, and then move on the next.

After just ~15 minutes of practicing I'll be ready to play the whole thing and with a noticeable improvement. If I keep doing this for a couple of days - results can be mind blowing.




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post Feb 10 2015, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (Dieterle @ Feb 10 2015, 07:36 PM) *
biggrin.gif as a timing Specialist i always feel a bit funky so i am IN !

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Excellent we need more time keepers wink.gif you are most welcome!

QUOTE (coffeeman @ Feb 10 2015, 08:26 PM) *
This is the perfect collab to get back to the GMC community ! I'm in!


Awesome, welcome back! biggrin.gif I know you have got killer take in store for this one!

QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Feb 10 2015, 09:04 PM) *
It might well be!!!
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Well thanks for lending it! tongue.gif


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post Feb 10 2015, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 10 2015, 04:20 PM) *
blink.gif Why didn't you tell me you're a fusion guy?! biggrin.gif

Wow this was a real fusion attempt, lots of cool ideas in here and solo construction is great. It's awesome to see your diversity!

You do some classic "modern" tricks here (is that a contradiction or what?!) - like contrasting rhythmic staccato sections with smooth legato lines. I haven't really got any comments as far as your solo construction goes - it was interesting to follow in a fusion:esque way.

If you want to go even more fusion you could add unpredictability by changing direction more often in your runs.

So instead of:

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------------7-9-10-------------
------6-7-9-------------------
6-7-9-------------------------
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you could do:

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------------------9-7-10-------------
----9-6-7----6-7----------------
6-7--------9------------------
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The big thing for you is to become more secure in your runs and licks, this is a general comment - the entire thing feels a bit shaky. This is not strange in any way since you delivered a cool idea in just a matter of hours.

But you should really take advantage of the fact that you able to come up with such an interesting mix of ideas - if you can play them convincingly you will blow us all away.

There are several ways to go about this, if you are happy playing the whole thing over and over to the point that you could do it in your sleep - then that's a good method. This works for me if I am really happy with my composition and it stimulates me musically over and over.

If I need to get something down as fast as possible, I will usually break it down in sections. Typically I will have marker points (in my DAW) a bar before each lick. This way I can super effectively practice one lick 10 times in a row over the backing track, and then move on the next.

After just ~15 minutes of practicing I'll be ready to play the whole thing and with a noticeable improvement. If I keep doing this for a couple of days - results can be mind blowing.


Hey Kris I love fusion players! Your spot on about zig zagging the line a bit. In a slower context I play some licks like that naturally. But..... I have never practiced those up to real speed. Here at Gmc I've been stumped by many many challenging licks that require a ton more practice to pull off. I'm hypnotized by a couple from Diego Budicin, they are goals of mine.

About my video, I agree also that it seems a bit shaky. 1 problem I have is after playing legato for 15 min my hands need a break. When I recorded this my hands felt like rock climbers hands. "Pumped."
I'm working on posture, stretching and playing on my tippy tips. It does not show in the video because I'm not there technically yet.


I'll take your advice on setting markers and I'll try and Polish this up a bit. Any suggestions on adding 1 small riff during the intro section?
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post Feb 11 2015, 12:02 AM
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Awesome to see there are folks that are so in to this one. ill be posting my first take soon. Btw i love that take Jim, thats definitley a promising start.
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post Feb 11 2015, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 10 2015, 11:56 PM) *
About my video, I agree also that it seems a bit shaky. 1 problem I have is after playing legato for 15 min my hands need a break. When I recorded this my hands felt like rock climbers hands. "Pumped."
I'm working on posture, stretching and playing on my tippy tips. It does not show in the video because I'm not there technically yet.


Legato is demanding for everybody, and it's great you let your hand rest in between (to avoid injury). However the more relaxed you can play your vibrato, the longer you will be able to play. I pretty much always practice legato so slow I have the time to think about every note, I usually don't go past 16th notes at 60 bpm when practicing with a metronome.

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 10 2015, 11:56 PM) *
I'll take your advice on setting markers and I'll try and Polish this up a bit. Any suggestions on adding 1 small riff during the intro section?


You are thinking about adding a section? Because I think the rhythm you play in the intro is great. It would probably convert well to a lower octave riff if played further down on the neck.


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post Feb 11 2015, 01:21 AM
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Perhaps a bit too much outside playing:



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post Feb 11 2015, 06:44 AM
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Hey everyone, here's my rough take!
I really need to work on the cleanness of the intro tapping...

https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/funkit-gmc-collab-nick6373-take-1

I really wanted it to sound more 'fusiony'. I just couldn't get anything that sounded good using outside notes sad.gif
Just to clarify outside notes are notes that actually don't fit in the key like blue notes right?

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 11 2015, 01:21 AM) *
Perhaps a bit too much outside playing:



Thanks Cael, I'm really blown away by the fusion ideas that's coming from you guys! Seems like we got a fusion army here. biggrin.gif

Since this track is much more loose harmony-wise than the last AC/DC style track - opinions coming from me will be even more subjective than before. Hard to tell what's right and wrong in other words.

However, I would in deed have a bit less outside playing and try to come up with some strong melodies in between the outside playing. This will create the needed contrast and make both the 'in' and 'out' shine!

A big improvement suggestion - would be for you to try and swing a little bit more. More groove would add a lot to your take. One way to look at this is to play the same ideas but allow some notes to ring a little longer, inevitably the subsequent note will need to be shorter - and there you get your swing.

You could also just try to learn 1 lick from any swingy lesson at GMC, jam over the backing - and then get back to this backing track and see if you can "import" some groove..!

QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Feb 11 2015, 06:44 AM) *
Hey everyone, here's my rough take!
I really need to work on the cleanness of the intro tapping...

https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/funkit-gmc-collab-nick6373-take-1

I really wanted it to sound more 'fusiony'. I just couldn't get anything that sounded good using outside notes sad.gif
Just to clarify outside notes are notes that actually don't fit in the key like blue notes right?


Very cool tapping Nick!

Here is how I suggest you go about outside notes:

* Start by finding some cool and *slow* licks in the E dominant arpeggio, or pentatonic scale. These licks should not sound "out", they should sound like cool blues lick. It is important that the licks are not fast, read on to find out why.

* Once you have got cool sounding licks, lets add the outside notes. You should add them in between the notes of the cool sounding licks you just came up with. This will ensure you have a powerful melody to start with, and that the outside notes only add color. You can add *any* note as outside note, you don't need to care about scale names just think "wrong" notes.

Now if you base your melodic ideas on outside notes, you will get into atonal/art music territory and have hard time convincing me (or anyone else for that matter). So the key is to start with something strong sounding and gradually add color/tension. To achieve this you probably need to start with a slow lick so that there is time to add the outside notes in between.

Please let me know if it makes sense?

This post has been edited by Kristofer Dahl: Feb 11 2015, 04:07 PM
Reason for edit: lotsa typos!


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post Feb 11 2015, 09:41 PM
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Hi Guys , after a hard days gone some funky feeling on to go wink.gif

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 10 2015, 07:21 PM) *
Perhaps a bit too much outside playing:



Hey I like this, there is something very unique about the first few licks before the whole tone run. I'd suggest experimenting with one of them and loop that lick with one with more notes from the chord. Back and forth, in then out.

I like the whole tone run but possibly double the speed or shorten the duration and get right back to the chord. I am no expert on whole tone and can barely play it so that may not make any sense. Either way good job!

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 10 2015, 06:02 PM) *
Awesome to see there are folks that are so in to this one. ill be posting my first take soon. Btw i love that take Jim, thats definitley a promising start.


Hey Vinman thanks for writing this backing and kind words. How did this backing come to life?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSY2_7Kbsak

just one of my favorite funk fusion songs ever. a little extra inspirationn wink.gif

...btw if anyone can figure out what scales theyre using in this song i would love to know

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post Feb 12 2015, 06:13 PM
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Improvement? Can't get the ending right though.



EDIT: Video is just black here, try this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBek9gi6Zos

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