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post Feb 12 2015, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 11 2015, 10:15 PM) *
Hey I like this, there is something very unique about the first few licks before the whole tone run. I'd suggest experimenting with one of them and loop that lick with one with more notes from the chord. Back and forth, in then out.

I like the whole tone run but possibly double the speed or shorten the duration and get right back to the chord. I am no expert on whole tone and can barely play it so that may not make any sense. Either way good job!



Hey Vinman thanks for writing this backing and kind words. How did this backing come to life?


not really sure. i was just messing around one day and kind of played it by accident. one of those deals. i usually record whenever i jam even if im not trying to write. you never know when a cool riff will come about and if you dont record its easy to forget it. luckily i happened to get this one on a recording
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post Feb 12 2015, 10:15 PM
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Just found this, been so busy lately. I'm in, this is even harder than the AC/DC collab rolleyes.gif

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post Feb 12 2015, 10:53 PM
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Alright, sorry for spamming takes, but I think I'm edging closer to something I like:



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post Feb 12 2015, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE (Dieterle @ Feb 11 2015, 09:41 PM) *
Hi Guys , after a hard days gone some funky feeling on to go wink.gif

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Thanks Dieterle,

I think you made interesting use of your timing issues - the swing timing which you are working to get rid of (or at least control) works on this kind of backing. I think the very first lick sounded good.

Until you have made some progress in Gab's timing mentoring threads - there are some things you can do:

* Your lead guitar is very loud compared to the backing. Since your take is full timing issues - I would probably do the opposite: try to mix it lower.

* If you added vibrato to all those sustained notes they would come to life. If your fingers aren't up to it yet, you could do it with tremolo/whammy bar if you have one. Press the bar in cycles of quarters or eighths notes.

If you played steady quarter notes with some vibrato, that would be a great foundation for a musical solo. If you nail that, then you can add some crazier stuff on top of it and get away with it. This is why your work with Gab's timing exercises is so important.

If you got the basics down (timing and pitch), then mistakes you do on top of that can pass unnoticed.

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 12 2015, 10:53 PM) *
Alright, sorry for spamming takes, but I think I'm edging closer to something I like:



Cool - yes this sounds better to me. The main difference I hear is that you feel more secure about your runs, and this a has a general effect on the take as a whole.

Your vibrato sounds better than in the previous collab, and the first one at 00:05 is really cool. I did however react on your vibratos being very similar throughout the take. I would try to do them differently.

My favorite way of phrasing a vibrato is probably to start with little vibrato (or none) and then gradually increase it. In the beginning this is easier to test with really long notes where you have time to think.

As usual a good way to get inspiration here, is to check out other players, and see how they phrase their vibratos.


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post Feb 13 2015, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 12 2015, 05:04 AM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSY2_7Kbsak

just one of my favorite funk fusion songs ever. a little extra inspirationn wink.gif

...btw if anyone can figure out what scales theyre using in this song i would love to know


Yeah thanks again Vinman, we ended up with a really cool backing! biggrin.gif I hope to hear atake form you as well!

I am horribly bad at figuring out what others do since I haven't done it for almost 10 years (and I was not very good at it back then either). However I would guess they go through a lot of different scales in there. Is there a specific section you are wondering about?


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post Feb 14 2015, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 12 2015, 01:04 AM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSY2_7Kbsak

just one of my favorite funk fusion songs ever. a little extra inspirationn wink.gif

...btw if anyone can figure out what scales theyre using in this song i would love to know



Hi Vinman, tha song is mostly based on Mixolydian mode. The verse motif is based around G7 chord and this chord is the root chord of Mixolydian mode. This means that the main scale suggested in this collab is shown in action in this song. The is a riff section that modulates to C (0:48). This riff is in C blues scale, but as soon as they harmonize it (giving a Zeppelin vibe), it becomes C mixolydian.

They also use a lot of blues scale over G7, and I note that they sometimes empathize the b5 giving the phrasing a "Lydian" feel.

The phrasing used there is very interesting. Sometimes they add some chromatic notes as passing notes and I also note that they like playing "sixths" giving it a bluesy vibe. Check out this lesson to know that I mean by Mixolydian sixths: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Mixolydian-Sixths-RnB/

And also give a look at this funk lesson that combines Mixolydian with Pentatonic Minor: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Funk_Fusion_Phrasing/


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post Feb 14 2015, 11:08 PM
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I jammed over this one today, and I gravitated towards these two scales:

E minor:


E Phrygian dominant:


As mentioned you can pretty much get away with anything over this backing, and I tend to prefer the sound of minor scales.


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post Feb 15 2015, 06:56 PM
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This is what I came up with so far. There are some timing issues and I am not sure about the sound - I made some experiments in Garage Band with rather strange amp combinations... biggrin.gif

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post Feb 15 2015, 07:02 PM
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Couldnt have said it better Phil. That sounded awesome...and youre right the funk one is tough. so many different way to go with it
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post Feb 15 2015, 07:33 PM
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hey ive been using this MTSR app on my phone which is working great but is there a way for me to import the backing file on to the app? right now im just playing the backing thru my computer speakers and recording it with the phone and using the other three tracks to record my guitar parts. im not very computer savoy. so if there is a better way to do this im all ears...or in this case eyes i guess
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post Feb 15 2015, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 15 2015, 07:33 PM) *
hey ive been using this MTSR app on my phone which is working great but is there a way for me to import the backing file on to the app? right now im just playing the backing thru my computer speakers and recording it with the phone and using the other three tracks to record my guitar parts. im not very computer savoy. so if there is a better way to do this im all ears...or in this case eyes i guess


Hi Vinman56, I don't have this app installed on my phone but when checking out this video on youtube it seems you should be able to use the "load/import" function (by the sound of it) to import an audio track/file, check it out here: http://youtu.be/6gCKyETkcog?t=40s

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QUOTE (Procyon @ Feb 15 2015, 06:56 PM) *
This is what I came up with so far. There are some timing issues and I am not sure about the sound - I made some experiments in Garage Band with rather strange amp combinations... biggrin.gif


Thanks Procyon. As usual I think your solo construction skills are great, and I really like how you develop this theme and intensify it until the end! The rhythm scratch stuff is soo cool! biggrin.gif

00:12 - end of run is a little off.

00:21 - fast run sounds a bit uneven

00:24 - pitch problem, or Kirk Hamm:ish vibrato . Not sure witch!

Tonewise I would probably want something a little warmer and less treblish. I think the current sound works ok for the scratchy/funky stuff but it makes the runs sound a little thin.

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Btw since we're seeing so many cool fusion takes here - Gab is working on an extended version of the backing so that we can treat this collab more as an improv workshop . I'll get back soon about this.


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post Feb 15 2015, 11:55 PM
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Hey, this what I came up with so far. Tried to get some funkiness in my take.

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it


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post Feb 16 2015, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE (DeGroot @ Feb 15 2015, 11:55 PM) *
Hey, this what I came up with so far. Tried to get some funkiness in my take.

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it


Thanks Degroot,

Ideas- and construction- wise this take is spot on to me! It's really interesting to follow and listen to.

* The phrases starting at 00:04, 00:15, 00:17 stick out to me though. These excepted, your take is spot on. But here I can somehow sense your left hand (?) is slowing down things, probably because these phrases are legato based.

One way to solve it is just to "brute force" - practice over and over. When doing so you should focus on the left hand, and maybe try practicing slowly without using any picking at all - to make sure your left hand finger is capable of having a leading role.

Another quicker solution (and I tend to gravitate towards these kind of solutions myself, just to get more productive) - is to rethink the way you play those passages. And maybe to do more picking, or why not try to funk scratch them somehow (you might need to adjust the idea for that) - since you do that so well.

* Mix - to me your guitar sound is a bit loud compared to backing. I suspect lowering it will raise the over all impression of your take and 'glue it' to the rest of the backing.


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Todd here!! GOOD NEWS! You can import ANY tracks that are in your phones music library. Your iphone is also an IPOD as I"m sure you know wink.gif So connect it to your computer and import that backing track in to itunes and put it on your phone.

From there you can import any tracks in your phone itunes library in to MTS smile.gif Make sense?

Also, what kind of computer do you have? IT may be easier to skip the phone and use your computer smile.gif

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QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 15 2015, 02:33 PM) *
hey ive been using this MTSR app on my phone which is working great but is there a way for me to import the backing file on to the app? right now im just playing the backing thru my computer speakers and recording it with the phone and using the other three tracks to record my guitar parts. im not very computer savoy. so if there is a better way to do this im all ears...or in this case eyes i guess


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 15 2015, 11:21 PM) *
Todd here!! GOOD NEWS! You can import ANY tracks that are in your phones music library. Your iphone is also an IPOD as I"m sure you know wink.gif So connect it to your computer and import that backing track in to itunes and put it on your phone.

From there you can import any tracks in your phone itunes library in to MTS smile.gif Make sense?

Also, what kind of computer do you have? IT may be easier to skip the phone and use your computer smile.gif

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all i have is a chrome book. I cant really do much besides surf the web on it its pretty lame laptop.... but its very cheap. that worked perfect though thats exactly what i was asking thank you
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post Feb 16 2015, 05:36 AM
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here is my first take. im trying to expand my reach a bit without losing the funk feel..its proving to be pretty damn difficult but this is kind of what im hearing anyway. as always needs plenty of polishing but ill worry about tht later

...the rythym got messed up again when i mixed it down im gonna re post it

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QUOTE (DeGroot @ Feb 15 2015, 10:55 PM) *
Hey, this what I came up with so far. Tried to get some funkiness in my take.

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/funk-it

very nice, I love your bends. Also really nice ghost notes/scratching!

Here's my second take. It's more or less the same as my first one except it's cleaner. I kinda wanna scrap this solo, it seems too uncreative and basic too me but I'm honestly stuck... I can't think of anything I like. I also feel like the tapping is maybe a bit excessive? I'm also having A LOT of trouble attempting to incorporate outside notes inside of my solo (you can tell obviously since it's all A mixolydian) it all sounds like garbage when I try to do it. Your advice did make sense though Kris I just can't do it xd.
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ATTENTION -

There is a now an extended version of the backing track available here.


This version is intended for those of you who want to practice their jamming/improvising skills. I am currently having a blast over this backing track and I would seriously recommend you try it as well!

QUOTE (Vinman56 @ Feb 16 2015, 05:36 AM) *
here is my first take. im trying to expand my reach a bit without losing the funk feel..its proving to be pretty damn difficult but this is kind of what im hearing anyway. as always needs plenty of polishing but ill worry about tht later

...the rythym got messed up again when i mixed it down im gonna re post it


Ok, when you repost please lower the volume of your guitar in the mix. It will do your take much more justice.

There are some interesting ideas int here, I am looking forward to hearing the fixed version.

QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Feb 16 2015, 08:54 AM) *
very nice, I love your bends. Also really nice ghost notes/scratching!

Here's my second take. It's more or less the same as my first one except it's cleaner. I kinda wanna scrap this solo, it seems too uncreative and basic too me but I'm honestly stuck... I can't think of anything I like. I also feel like the tapping is maybe a bit excessive? I'm also having A LOT of trouble attempting to incorporate outside notes inside of my solo (you can tell obviously since it's all A mixolydian) it all sounds like garbage when I try to do it. Your advice did make sense though Kris I just can't do it xd.
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Here's an idea: At 00:11 you land on a bent note after the tapping lick.

What if you just move that whole tapping lick a fret down or up, but still land on the same strong note? You will then be doing outside playing by the book: first a fast 'out' passage followed by a strong note.

Just be sure when doing this, that you don't repeat the "out" version of the tapping lick for too long. As mentioned, it is best to play outside just for a short period - especially in the beginning.

Let me know if this makes sense, and if you can apply it?


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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 15 2015, 11:16 PM) *
Thanks Degroot,

Ideas- and construction- wise this take is spot on to me! It's really interesting to follow and listen to.

* The phrases starting at 00:04, 00:15, 00:17 stick out to me though. These excepted, your take is spot on. But here I can somehow sense your left hand (?) is slowing down things, probably because these phrases are legato based.

One way to solve it is just to "brute force" - practice over and over. When doing so you should focus on the left hand, and maybe try practicing slowly without using any picking at all - to make sure your left hand finger is capable of having a leading role.

Another quicker solution (and I tend to gravitate towards these kind of solutions myself, just to get more productive) - is to rethink the way you play those passages. And maybe to do more picking, or why not try to funk scratch them somehow (you might need to adjust the idea for that) - since you do that so well.

* Mix - to me your guitar sound is a bit loud compared to backing. I suspect lowering it will raise the over all impression of your take and 'glue it' to the rest of the backing.


Thanks for the feedback Kris. That is great you pointed out my left hand. Indeed when I playing those licks without picking my left hand seems weak. It is an eye opener for me and will be a good thing to practice slowly for strengthening my left hand. I'll make a new recording before the deadline and maybe tweak some of the parts a bit more.


QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Feb 16 2015, 07:54 AM) *
very nice, I love your bends. Also really nice ghost notes/scratching!

Here's my second take. It's more or less the same as my first one except it's cleaner. I kinda wanna scrap this solo, it seems too uncreative and basic too me but I'm honestly stuck... I can't think of anything I like. I also feel like the tapping is maybe a bit excessive? I'm also having A LOT of trouble attempting to incorporate outside notes inside of my solo (you can tell obviously since it's all A mixolydian) it all sounds like garbage when I try to do it. Your advice did make sense though Kris I just can't do it xd.
Attached File  Funkit_gmc_collab2.mp3 ( 568.25K ) Number of downloads: 71


Thanks for the comment Nick! I never played much Funk before but it a fun track to jam with.

I also think you solo sounds pretty cool! I think fits the track quite well.


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