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Tommy M
post Feb 19 2015, 07:33 AM
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I get latency issues when recording, i have a cheap maudio fast track external sound card.
pc specs are.

Intel core i5 760 2.80GHz
8GB ram
Nvidia GTX 560Ti
Windows 8.1
Maudio fast track (the cheap 80$ one they no longer sell)

Oh and I use cubase 5.1.2 but just recently switched to reaper (havent had time to check if i have the same problem there yet, just assume it)

Thinking of buying a line6 pod studio ux2. would that help or do i need an external monitor thing.
I have no idea what that is but i watched a video of Ola Englund and he had some external monitor thing to get zero latency issues.

What do they cost, what are they really called?

I got pretty good latency now since i lowered my samples in sound card settings in the DAW but id like to get rid of the problem completely.

Thankful for answers!
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post Feb 19 2015, 08:43 AM
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Hi

Latency must be set between 10 and 20 ms not to hear an offset.

10/20 ms = low latency ===> Very Good
25/30 ms = medium latency ===> Good
35 ms and more = high latency ==> Not Good

Your CPU and Ram it's ok for low latency. You must set the driver asio's buffer size to smaller...
Minimum ability are not the same depending on the soundcard.


I have :
- Line6 toneportGX USB (cheap), my asio setting = 15ms latency minimum (driver load default = 30/40 ms)
- Edirol Fa-66 FireWire, my asio setting = 11ms latency minimum (driver load default = 20/30 ms)

I have I7960/ 8GB Ram on my computer.

I hope my answer is correct, I 'm french with bad english

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post Feb 19 2015, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE (Tommy M @ Feb 19 2015, 06:33 AM) *
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Latency free monitoring is when you hear the guitar input directly from sound card (not DAW) while recording. So you can't use your vst plug-ins while recording in that mode, But you can record 2 tracks at once and one can be just to hear what you are playing (like; one is with a processor and other is only the guitar to add plug-ins later on).

Reducing buffer size (samples) is the default way to deal with latency (then increase for mix). But other than that its about the computer, system must work good and not much on the backgound must work during recording.

Things that work good are disabling internet connection, disabling virus protection and anything else that has icon/next to the clock. Further is to adjust windows for recording which takes time and patience.

Firewire is much faster but I avoid it as thunderbolt replaced it (slowly thunderbolt soundcards are being released, recently from focusrite and zoom). But you'll need a pci connection thingie to connect thunderbolt on PC and currently they are expensive...

Oh and if you have fx on other tracks while recording, disable or freeze them.

I'm not sure about the difference you'll get by buying a new (usb) soundcard, at best their driver might be better but even then the latency won't reduce (though noticeable) much.


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post Feb 19 2015, 02:43 PM
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I have two m-audio interfaces and I don't have any latency. It shouldn't be a problem if you are using the right drivers and setting the buffering correctly. At first check the settings of your daw to be sure that you have the m-audio driver selected, and also be sure that it's exactly the driver for your model. I had issues in the past because I didn't install the specific driver for my models.

Besides this, you should experiment with buffer size settings. The lower is the number that you choose, the more CPU you need but the less latency you'll have. Just experiment and try to find out the best size for your computer.

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QUOTE (Tommy M @ Feb 19 2015, 06:33 AM) *
I get latency issues when recording, i have a cheap maudio fast track external sound card.
pc specs are.

Intel core i5 760 2.80GHz
8GB ram
Nvidia GTX 560Ti
Windows 8.1
Maudio fast track (the cheap 80$ one they no longer sell)

Oh and I use cubase 5.1.2 but just recently switched to reaper (havent had time to check if i have the same problem there yet, just assume it)

if I remember correctly Reaper gives an indication of the latency in the top RHS corner of the screen.

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Thinking of buying a line6 pod studio ux2. would that help or do i need an external monitor thing.
I have no idea what that is but i watched a video of Ola Englund and he had some external monitor thing to get zero latency issues.

What do they cost, what are they really called?

I got pretty good latency now since i lowered my samples in sound card settings in the DAW but id like to get rid of the problem completely.

Thankful for answers!


There is no such thing as zero latency on a DAW. Latency is affected by quite a lot of different things that include not just the sound card and I/O but also hard disc, CPU, internal bus and so on. What he may be referring to is using analogue outs direct from his soundcard to his monitors without the computer sitting between the signal to monitor the unprocessed signal before it enters the digital domain.


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post Feb 19 2015, 07:04 PM
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I went through this exact issue. Basically, if you are using software amp modelling in your DAW you are always going to have some amount of latency. It can be optimized with some of the techniques mentioned above and maybe unnoticeable/workable for you. This is dependent on how powerful your PC hardware is and what kind of software you are attempting to run while recording.

I've watched Ola England's videos, and when he mentions external monitoring he means routing your guitar signal to both your audio interface and some other source which will produce a processed guitar tone (an amp, Pod, or something similar). That way you are recording one signal while listening to the latency-free "live" signal.

If you want to use your software amp simulator to "reamp" later, the track you record must be the unprocessed "dry" guitar signal. My setup has a Pod HD500X running two outputs (dry/wet) to my audio interface. The wet signal is sent to monitors or headphones for listening and the dry signal is sent to the DAW and written to the track.

The UX2 will not solve the problem, if you list your available hardware you might be able to work it out with some creative cable routing and gear you already have.

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post Feb 20 2015, 10:13 AM
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Problems with latency above acceptable are pretty common for usb devices. Unfortunately there are too many factors affecting it. On some devices (PC) I was never able to solve the problem, while my firewire card can work even below 10ms on way lower cpu power of my old PC.

USB connection with audio interface is much more sensitive for every single process that is running on Your device. To be honest it would be perfect to have a separated Windows installation on the same drive, that is stripped off to just those things needed for recording. This means no other USB devices than a mouse and interface (excluding Midi to USB keyboard etc...gear You need) and anything like web browsers, antivirus, printers off - just in this particular "Windows studio installation".

Today we have very powerfull computers but the software is much more demanding as well. Try to launch a 32 bit version of reaper or other DAW and 32 bit versions of plugins. You should be able to reach lower latency.


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post Mar 8 2015, 01:37 AM
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you could also try a different driver. the Asio4All works wonders, as it significantly decreases the USB in/out latency. just google it and give it a try.

also try to set your pc to "power-mode", if you should have an 'eco mode' selected in order to save energy.

during live monitoring / recording close all programs that you don't need for the process.

try to measure your round trip latency. anything around 15ms should be fine. I think 10ms equals a 3 metre distance from an amp.

good luck.
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