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So there we have the change you need to do if you want to become more creative and productive. Don't kill ideas too early. smile.gif


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post Apr 23 2015, 02:38 PM
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Allright smile.gif

So I've analyzed another song, it has a lot of chords with just a few notes of them, like playing just 3 strings of the 6 e.g.
It's in minor again, other that that I don't really see anything really strange here. The power of the song I guess is in the orchestra and the deep drums at the end. and of course the fancy guitar theme in the intro smile.gif

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Nice song! Yeah, it's a simple song, and the power is put on the melody, the warm vocals and guitar sound and arrangements. That's what makes it so powerful and expressive. It's awesome how the song grows thanks to the overall arrange, it's a killer production. It's not bad to pay attention and learn concepts from this too while analyzing songs...




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post May 7 2015, 10:23 PM
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Hi Gabe,

Sorry for not posting anything in a while, it's been really busy on the university...so it took me a while to finish something wink.gif
Anyway, I'm progressing through the song analysis nicely, this is the 7th:

There are more V degrees borrowed from the harmonic minor and IV from the Dorian mode...and the song is in minor again, so there is a pattern smile.gif

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Hi Lester, that's a very interesting analysis and song. I love the progression used for the chorus. It's very cool how the movement Vi - V7 - Im - IV, sound. Everything we discussed on previous songs is happening here. I can suspect that you are starting to notice how helpful is analyzing the songs that we like.... smile.gif


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I do! And I never thought there would be so many patterns to be honest. I always believed that if I liked a song or not was pretty random tongue.gif I'm not saying that I would like all songs in minor with pieces from the harmonic minor and Dorian scale, but it still tells a lot about my musical taste. Which is pretty cool! smile.gif
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QUOTE (Lester @ May 11 2015, 04:53 AM) *
I do! And I never thought there would be so many patterns to be honest. I always believed that if I liked a song or not was pretty random tongue.gif I'm not saying that I would like all songs in minor with pieces from the harmonic minor and Dorian scale, but it still tells a lot about my musical taste. Which is pretty cool! smile.gif



yeah, because it tells a lot about music style, and the vibe of a song. Everything is related to the elements of music:

these are some of them:

- Notes
- Groove
- Dynamics
- Tone
- Articulation

As you can see, "notes" is only one of the elements, so it would be good if you start to pay attention and analyze other elements from music which are equally important.



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Hi Gabe,

So I finished another analysis, a little quicker this time...it was a fairly easy one smile.gif

Although there is one problem with it: I don't know the tonality...It has got chords from both Dm and D, and also a C, which has no place in either of them. So I'm guessing it's some kind of mode...(probably blues)...any thoughts on that?

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I guess in Sloe Gin that I really like the build up with the soft piano and the raw, verrryy nice guitar sound over it.. which is powerfull, lot's of distortion or overdrive I don't know how to describe it otherwise biggrin.gif
And then the build up when they all go full power, I guess that covers the dynamics and the tone, like you mentioned. Oh, and also that Joe plays soft and then hard all of a sudden a lot.

The articulation on the guitar part would be short and powerful, with a lot of speed bursts and differences between.

I think the time signature is 4/4, but correct me if I'm wrong...and last but not least...how do you describe something like a groove? biggrin.gif


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That's a beautiful tune, with a lot of feeling, it has a slow groove and the drummer seems to give this the intention of going a bit after the beat, so sound like delayed. It give a slower feel to the whole tune. Very interesting.

I analyzed the progressions and most of the time it's in D minor with the addition of the IV chord borrowed from dorian. There is a moment in which it modulates for some measures to Bm, but then it gets back soon to D.

I didn't notice where this can become C, where do you think?



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Allright, thanks for the input! smile.gif

I didn't mean that the tonality became C, but that the C chord didn't fit in the Dm or D tonality...
But that was my mistake, I double checked my notes, which said it should include a C#, I made a mistake in the intervals biggrin.gif

It makes sense then, I will add the tonality and the degrees to the paper.

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yeah, C is the VII chord of D minor tonality so it's part of it. By the way, it's a very interesting lesson, and the solos are epic!



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Indeed, I love his guitar sound and the dynamics in that song!
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QUOTE (Lester @ May 15 2015, 11:00 AM) *
Indeed, I love his guitar sound and the dynamics in that song!



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Took me a while, but here is another song analysis, quite an easy one this time, I must admit smile.gif
And it's in major for a change! although there are some chords there in the middle that I cannot quite place within either major in minor key...

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Good job! It's a very interesting tune. I like how it keeps a similar bass movement on verse and chorus but in different parts of the scale. It's basically and "blues" or "classic rock" idea of I - IV. The verse is on I and the chorus moves to IV, and around this chords there is some kind of chords riff idea that is repeated.

I noticed the use of the 7th chord minor, this is something commonly used in popular music, since it is close to the diminished but sounds less dissonant, so we are used to it.


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Right, I didn't analyze it that well...but I also felt that the mood changes from the verse to the chorus, which I think is very beautifull. smile.gif

The verse really sounds like he's telling a story that happened in the past and then he brings it to present time and draws a conclusions...which go great with the lyrics.

I don't know I that makes any sense, but it's my interpretation biggrin.gif

Good to know about the 7th chord in minor! wink.gif
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Hi mate, so we have some new concepts here!

I didn't noted the lyrics structure, good job noting it! It's a cool idea.


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I just recorded a little take on Marcus's lesson and I was wondering if you have some feedback and if I should go for a REC take smile.gif
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Hi Lester! Good job with this one, you're on the right track. There some details that I would like to comment:

The original lesson has more expressive details that give the overall solo some extra feeling. You should continue practicing but listening again the original take and paying attention on:

1. Articulation: How phrases and notes are articulated. You will notice that some notes are muted before you do, while others are longer. I note the use of staccato in some parts, while other notes are long with wide vibrato.

2. Bending: The use of bending is also majestic on this one. Sometimes it's fast, other times it's slow. For example check how delicate is the one at 00:05 (pre-bend). Analyze each bend. Also be careful with pitches (around 00:24 and 00:26)

3. Polish fast sections. Some licks like the one at 00:12 are not sounding clear and clean.

4. Vibrato. The use of vibrato in the original lesson is killer, get most of it. Play along with Marcus.

5. Dynamics: The original lesson has a very good control and manage of dynamics, in other words, Marcus picks with different intensities using it as an expressing tool.





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Thanks for the feedback, I'll get right on it! wink.gif
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