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Kristofer Dahl
post Feb 22 2015, 10:13 PM
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Maybe you remember this thread from a couple of years ago, when I bought the "You Rock guitar".

I recorded my take for the funk collab with it:



...and I think it's a good example of how it can be used creatively for synth style improvising.

One advantage is that the sound I used is monophonic, which makes things sound cleaner than with a guitar (because I can't mess up and have two strings ringing at the same time accidentally). On the other there is a handicap involved because I need to play all notes using "hammer-ons" from nowhere, and bending/vibrato can only be done with the whammy bar.

Supposedly it is possible to configure it to suit most picking styles but I have not bothered doing it.

What do you think about this instrument?

This is the only midi controller I have ever tried / owned, does anybody else have experience from these?


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post Feb 22 2015, 10:37 PM
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I don't have one of these, but I do have a guitar with midi out. The You Rock Guitar is pretty cool and the price, which is way lower than anything else, isn't all that bad. The other thing is that you can use it to record midi notes for anything. Want to play a piano backing but find entering notes by hand in your DAW is painfully slow.......play the chords on the You Rock. Want to record the bass part......use the I Rock, pun intended. Want to record the midi drum section instead of using a loop........yeah yeah.

For a guitarist, having a midi note input device that they are familiar with, they know notes and chords, is far easier than punching some keys on a piano or computer keyboard. You can quickly record ambient pad swells and a bass backing in far less time, I think, than using a mouse or keyboard. And, for beginners, if you don't know where all the notes are on the fretboard (I don't) using the We Rock can help you along the way.

Honestly, I don't user my guitar with midi input to record guitar, but to build other sections. At least when I actually sit down and do that.

And one other thing........if you work out a solo with the Everyone Rocks Guitar, you can have most DAWs create a tab from the midi notes..........immediate transcription for your awesome ideas. Then turn around and record it using the Real thing. This is something I haven't done a lot of but really really need to start doing. Although some more advanced DAWs, like Ableton Live, can create a midi note track from a clean guitar part, they have a little more difficulty with a distorted sound. I tried it with my Funk guitar track..........was terrible because of the frequency alteration the wah pedal did to the track for my DAW to even register the correct notes.

Edit : Perhaps most DAWs can't create tab. You'd need something like Guitar Pro or a Freeware alternative to do that, but you get my point.

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post Feb 22 2015, 10:50 PM
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Yes I get your point for sure, I haven't tried using it for tabbing yet but its a very good idea.

QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Feb 22 2015, 10:37 PM) *
I don't have one of these, but I do have a guitar with midi out.


What guitar is that, how is triggering? I'd love to try a 'real' guitar with midi out ( I have some vague memory of Godin producing them?)


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post Feb 22 2015, 11:44 PM
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I have a Carvin SH575. Fantastic playing and incredible midi capture, although a fair amount more than a Godin. The guitar is great even without the midi. I got it a long while back specifically for midi and at that time there were few other choices (Parker mostly), most more expensive than the 575 if you can imagine. Parkers run about 4K US.

Now, Godin and a few others (the Roland GK ready strat looks interesting http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StratGK3SB ), make more reasonable alternatives, although I'm not sure how they hold up sound-wise when running the pick-ups direct into an amp.

I also had a stick on GK3 pickup first. That worked fairly well. If your really interested Kristofer, I can send you the GK pickup I have for free. It's just collecting dust. It's this one.... http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GK3

The other thing is that they now sell GraphTech saddles and expander kit you can install. That whole system is probably close to $400 since you have to buy the Ghost saddles, Strat Saddles or Fixed Bridge type, and the Hexpander kit. Sweetwater.com has them when I just researched some. Of course, you have to do some body work to implant the 13pin saddle, but it essentially turns your guitar into a 575.

Edit : The You Rock guitar is as much as a GK3 pickup. The You Rock gets great reviews, but, if you're going to pay as much for the You Rock as for a GK3 I'd suggest you might look into at GK3 instead as it uses your guitar. Or, if your really interested, save a little longer and get the Saddles and Expander kit. The Ghost saddles do make a difference when comparing the capture quality compared to a GK3 pickup.

******Actually, I mispoke a bit. A GK3 guitar does need a converter unit of some nature........either an older Axon100, a Roland Gi20, a GR55.

Apologies to those mislead. But a GK3 is a more expensive option than a You Rock, albiet still cheaper than a GK equipped guitar as they also need some sort of converter unit.*******

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post Feb 23 2015, 01:13 AM
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This seems a better option, but still expensive. I think in the coming years things like this will become far less expensive and more likely.

The Triple play seems the ideal Midi/Guitar interface at the moment. I see perhaps in the future where saddles transmit via wireless directly.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TriplePlayPU
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post Feb 23 2015, 01:18 AM
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That thing looks like a lot of fun man! The only thing I have had that was similar to that was the Roland GR-707 synth guitar.

http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/gr700.php

http://www.joness.com/gr300/G-707.html

It was a ton of fun to play and you could actually mix a guitar tone and a synth tone together,or just use one tone or the other. The biggest drawback being that it didn't track very well on some patches if I tried too play fast. In spite of that I really wish I had kept it.
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post Feb 23 2015, 03:18 AM
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I"ve been using a cheap alternative for years. THe madcatz Rockband game controller is actually a decent midi controller and a great way to put tablature in to GUITAR PRO. IT's how I make my tabs for my vid chats. Just play and it records the midi in to tabs/notes/

I"m using a roland midi to usb cable to connect it. My fav part is doing things that would be a pain to setup like 12 string acoustic guitar. Or better yet, doubled 12 string acoustic. if it was going to be on a paid pressing I"d like to have the instrument, but for web vids, this is just more practical and sounds pretty spiff smile.gif

Anyone whose ever endlessly tuned a 12 string then tried to double track it might know what I mean. Though I"m sure some folks with Guild 12 strings and high end mics think it's easy peasy smile.gif



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post Feb 23 2015, 06:28 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 22 2015, 06:18 PM) *
I"ve been using a cheap alternative for years. THe madcatz Rockband game controller is actually a decent midi controller and a great way to put tablature in to GUITAR PRO. IT's how I make my tabs for my vid chats. Just play and it records the midi in to tabs/notes/


That's cheating! laugh.gif I can't blame you though , you make a boatload of tabs. smile.gif
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post Feb 23 2015, 11:39 AM
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Gene that Carvin looks amazing, I have been drooling at Carvin for a while but from what I gather they are not easy to get a hold of in Sweden.

Now that you mention it, I have tested a guitar with the roland GK pickup. It was a while a go, but I remember thinking triggering was not ideal.

The good thing with YRG guitar is that triggering is very predictable, although it does require a slight technique adjustment for me.

One thing I am really looking forward to is testing YRG with some high end software instruments. So far I have only tested with the built in sounds of logic (nothing wrong with them though).

@ Todd - that seems to work great! Have you tested it for lead stuff? I don't know how it compares to YRG.


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post Feb 24 2015, 08:49 AM
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It's not great on lead work as it's not able to do bends! smile.gif Just notes. I'm thinking about getting one of the newer rock band controlers which is a actual guitar (fender squier) with a trem but still has a midi jack.!

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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 23 2015, 06:39 AM) *
Gene that Carvin looks amazing, I have been drooling at Carvin for a while but from what I gather they are not easy to get a hold of in Sweden.

Now that you mention it, I have tested a guitar with the roland GK pickup. It was a while a go, but I remember thinking triggering was not ideal.

The good thing with YRG guitar is that triggering is very predictable, although it does require a slight technique adjustment for me.

One thing I am really looking forward to is testing YRG with some high end software instruments. So far I have only tested with the built in sounds of logic (nothing wrong with them though).

@ Todd - that seems to work great! Have you tested it for lead stuff? I don't know how it compares to YRG.


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post Feb 24 2015, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 24 2015, 08:49 AM) *
It's not great on lead work as it's not able to do bends! smile.gif Just notes. I'm thinking about getting one of the newer rock band controlers which is a actual guitar (fender squier) with a trem but still has a midi jack.!

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Yes that bending issue is there with mine as well, on a positive side note it forces you to get creative with the whammy bar. But the lack of bends is the main reason why i can't play too long on this instrument without starting to miss my real guitars.

And wow that strat looks like the real thing, I wonder how triggering works on it.


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post Feb 25 2015, 06:33 AM
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It has a midi pickup smile.gif It's on my "to get" list for 2015 smile.gif

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 24 2015, 08:59 AM) *
Yes that bending issue is there with mine as well, on a positive side note it forces you to get creative with the whammy bar. But the lack of bends is the main reason why i can't play too long on this instrument without starting to miss my real guitars.

And wow that strat looks like the real thing, I wonder how triggering works on it.



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