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Yes, let's get into the caged system.

This system is based on 5 open shape chords: C - A - G - E and D.

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post Apr 20 2017, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 7 2017, 06:17 PM) *
Yes, let's get into the caged system.

This system is based on 5 open shape chords: C - A - G - E and D.

Check out these links:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=2944

https://youtu.be/LhrGeolItvw


OK, to make this simple, for some shapes, it's like moving a bar chord across the neck.
i completely understand the core principal and how these chord shapes can be moved across the neck to get different
chords.

beside the youtube video that you recommended i watched this one :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH44CeVzvCM

but I wat I didnt really get is at the end of the youtube video that you recommended
I can see that the instructor somehow utilizing this CAGED method to play "scales" up and down the neck.
and that seemed a little bit of a struggle to comprehend.

so, I understand how to utilize CAGED system for chords, but I still dont really understand how to utilized it for scales.
if you think that's enough and it's good to understand it like this and we don't need to go further with it "for now" then it's ok for me.

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Hi Anese, being able to understand the concept based on chord is a great first step! These shapes will be a guide to see other stuff around them. That's what happens at the end of that video but I don't want you to get confused. Let's start slowly with 1 shape.

You already know the major chords in 5 shapes all around the neck. This means that this shape will be familiar.

A Major



And if you move it... you get other chords. The name is based on the root (note in 6th string).

G Major


B Major



Does it make sense? Is this what you've undestood? Could you please do similar graphics for the other 4 chord shapes to let me see if you understand it well?

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 21 2017, 02:57 PM) *
Hi Anese, being able to understand the concept based on chord is a great first step! These shapes will be a guide to see other stuff around them. That's what happens at the end of that video but I don't want you to get confused. Let's start slowly with 1 shape.

You already know the major chords in 5 shapes all around the neck. This means that this shape will be familiar.

A Major



And if you move it... you get other chords. The name is based on the root (note in 6th string).

G Major


B Major



Does it make sense? Is this what you've undestood? Could you please do similar graphics for the other 4 chord shapes to let me see if you understand it well?

I've used our scale generator: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator/


Yes yes Gabby
I completely understand what you're trying to explain to me.
the shape you used is the E major shape.
and i can do this with all the other shapes.

and what I do not understand, is how I can use the CAGED system to play scales.
that's what I was asking you about.

if you think it's too early to study CAGED system to play scales, then we can pass this for later stages

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Well, as you already know each of these 5 shapes and the concept behind. This is the next step.

This shapes will let you find on the neck the notes that form a chord. So in the case of this shape:




Those notes form C major chord: C E G (Root - Maj 3rd - Perfect 5th) Is that clear?

So now let's see how C major Pentatonic is form. A major penatonic is a 5 notes scale. The scale structure is Root - Maj 2nd - Maj 3rd - Perfect 5th - Major 6th. So if we'd like to form C Pentatonic major, we should use the notes: C D E G A. The scale shape would be:




Can you see how this scale shape is at the same part of the neck than the previous chord called C major (E shape).

Play the scale, play the chord, play the scale, the chord... do it many times and try to visualise how the chord is inside the scale, try to see both things overlapped. Notice how a major chord is build by (Root - Maj 3rd - Perfect 5th) and notice that the Pentatonic scale is build by (Root - Maj 3rd - Perfect 5th) + (Maj 2nd - Major 6th).

Once you'd done it, transpose that chord to another root. Let's say A major.



Let's build the Pentatonic Major scale around it:




This same concept can be applied to the other chord shapes, and then we will apply it to every chord family, and scale.


The more you practice this, the easier will be to find the Pentatonic scale around that E shape chord... and that's the purpose of the CAGED system. It's a system to be able to learn, find and connect chord and scale shapes as well as some other stuff like arpeggios, triads, etc.

This is not anything that you'll learn in 1 day. It's a process of learning that will take weeks, months. But it's the way to go if you want to understand the fret-board in order to improvise and compose your own music.

Does it make sense?

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yes Gabby it's all clear biggrin.gif

Ahh except here i'm certain that you meant C pentatonic Major instead of minor right ? just to make sure

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So if we'd like to form C Pentatonic minor, we should use the notes: C D E G A. The scale shape would be:



Thanks for explaining this you made it much easier to comprehend
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QUOTE (Anese @ Apr 27 2017, 08:38 PM) *
yes Gabby it's all clear biggrin.gif

Ahh except here i'm certain that you meant C pentatonic Major instead of minor right ? just to make sure



Thanks for explaining this you made it much easier to comprehend



yes! Nice to know that this is clear now! smile.gif



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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 28 2017, 06:48 PM) *
yes! Nice to know that this is clear now! smile.gif


OK Gabby
What do you suggest to work on now ?
something technical maybe ? while I noodle around Pentatonic scales and the CAGED system ?

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Yes, it could be. How is your routine organised at this moment?


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 29 2017, 02:52 PM) *
Yes, it could be. How is your routine organised at this moment?


I dont really have an organized plan.
for the last two weeks I've been working on the (pentatonic scale + the CAGED system)
and I also tried to learn this song (the kids arent alright by the offspring).
I didn't want to play the whole song so I edit a guitar pro file for the song and made it as backing track then I tried to rip off the best chops i like out of the song.
you will notice that in some parts i get out of tune. but i guess I will do better than that as I polish my technique with time.

and for now.. my schedule will depend on what we are going to learn next.

let me know what you think.
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Well, let's work on a musical lesson that uses Pentatonic scale in order to incorporate new licks into your vocabulary and work on technique in a real music situation.

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 30 2017, 04:19 PM) *
Well, let's work on a musical lesson that uses Pentatonic scale in order to incorporate new licks into your vocabulary and work on technique in a real music situation.

This is my suggestion: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Bendy-Blues/


Sounds like a good one to me, I'll start working on that one.

my practice plan will be working on this new lesson along with getting around the pentatonic scales plus refreshing on some of the old lessons that we worked on before.
by the way what do you about the offspring song thing that I did biggrin.gif it's ok if it was awful just let me know haha

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That's a perfect plan!

I've missed the link! I've thought that you where just linking the original song. Your version sounds good. It's a good plan to play full songs like this since it puts you in a real band situation. There is some room to adjust the first riff, and some details from the solo (bending pitch) but the overall sounds good. You are ready for the stage. smile.gif


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Hello Gabby

sorry for the long absence, I had some issues to get full access to the lessons, but thankfully that was solved
last week and I was able to be back.

however, I want to let you know that I didn't stop playing and practicing during that time.
and for now I will continue working on your last suggested lesson.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 30 2017, 04:19 PM) *
Well, let's work on a musical lesson that uses Pentatonic scale in order to incorporate new licks into your vocabulary and work on technique in a real music situation.

This is my suggestion: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Bendy-Blues/


I will keep you updated on my progress for the bendy blues lesson.. i will also continue practicing on the minor pentatonic scales and CAGED system.

let me know if you have any suggestions.

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Hi Anese! Great to hear from you!

I'll wait for a take playing that lesson.

About the Caged system, what are you using to work on it and Pentatonic scale?


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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 9 2017, 07:53 PM) *
Hi Anese! Great to hear from you!

I'll wait for a take playing that lesson.

About the Caged system, what are you using to work on it and Pentatonic scale?


Hello Gabby

I'll send a take of the bendy blues lesson once I'm ready, but for now, please have a listen to this first part of the lesson Attached File  bendy_1.mp3 ( 629.39K ) Number of downloads: 0
and let me know what you think of the Tone, is it suitable ?

And for the pentatonic scales, this is how i work on it: i play various pentatonic scales around the neck and try come up with a lick or two. here this take to refresh your memory, i posted it before as im working on the pentatonic scales

I'm also working on this lesson which you recommended before as workout for pentatonic scales but I didnt start working on it until now.


And for the caged system we discussed it on this thread and I learned the 5 shapes around the neck.
then I learned how to form major pentatonic scales around the Major chord's Root, 3rd and perfect 5th, and see the notes of the major pentatonic scales around the chord shape (Root, major 2nd, major 3rd, perfect 5th, and major 6th).

finally I would like you to recommend a beginner Sweep technique lesson, I see this technique is very important in modern guitar styles, and I think it's very important to start working and polishing it gradually.
what do you think?

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