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Ben Higgins
post May 7 2015, 09:46 AM
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Exotic Pentatonics?


Did I just use the phrase 'exotic pentatonics'? How is that possible? Everyone knows that the humble 5 note pentatonic is a dull scale that everyone has to learn at the beginning but eventually makes way for more 'interesting scales.....



Exactly. Schwarzenegger can never be wrong. Not back in the 80's.

Consider this. You've been presented with a chord progression of, I dunno, let's say... F#5 to a G. This repeats and so it gives you a root note that shifts up by a semitone. The F#5 is a blank canvas but the G has a major 3rd so normally most of us will opt for the Phrygian Dominant scale. Most other guitarists 99% of the time will do so as well.

Even people who don't want to sound like Yngwie will still use this scale whenever they encounter a chord progression like this. I personally think that, considering the sheer creativity and brilliance of players these days, that it's somewhat a cop out to automatically go for that scale and dole out Phrygian Dominant runs. Use it, by all means, but don't overuse it and don't use it every time. It's been done to death. We can try and be more creative.

One option you have is to use the G Major Pentatonic scale for the G chord. If you can't immediately recall the major pentatonic shapes then find the relative minor version which can be found as the E Minor Pentatonic and go from there. You'll notice that it's a different sound completely to the Phrygian Dominant scale. The P.D. Scale sounds eastern and has a hint of darkness about it. The major pentatonic doesn't have that darkness but it still works. If anything, I think that the major pentatonic is a bit more mind bending. The P.D. scale fits so easily that it's not that challenging for the listener.. it's almost expected because it's so natural. However, if you used a bit of F# P.D. scale for the first chord and then moved to the G Major Penta for the G chord it's a shift of tonality which is much more of a head twister.

Give it a go.. here's a backing track from something I'm working on. The chords are F#5 and G.

Attached File  Exotic_Pentatonics.mp3 ( 899.09K ) Number of downloads: 74


Don't worry about running up and down the scales, just grab the scale diagrams and try a few moves out. Btw, the P.D. scale is also known as the Phrygian Major mode, which is where you'll find it in the GMC Scale Generator.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator/

So, instead of feeling like you're automatically heading into Yngwie territory you can add a few pentatonic moves into it. Hell, try out all your favourite Zakk Wylde licks instead!

Give it a go and, if you're brave enough, post some examples of what you come up with!


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post May 7 2015, 12:37 PM
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I listened your backing and I played a stupid thing (please forgive me for this) smile.gif I don't know if it's what you want. I just pushed the record button and I let the backing to inspire me. It's nothing fast, clever, with a perfect timing or with a good dynamic. It's just a demo at first hand. I hope Darek will never see this demo because he will beat me biggrin.gif

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post May 7 2015, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ May 7 2015, 01:37 PM) *
I listened your backing and I played a stupid thing (please forgive me for this) smile.gif I don't know if it's what you want. I just pushed the record button and I let the backing to inspire me. It's nothing fast, clever, with a perfect timing or with a good dynamic. It's just a demo at first hand. I hope Darek will never see this demo because he will beat me biggrin.gif

[attachment=41862:Demo.mp3]


Well done Monica, sounds awesome! Did this topic give you any new ideas?

Love your tone - the sustain almost makes it feel like a synth! (in a very positive way)


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post May 7 2015, 02:39 PM
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Cool idea.
I'm a big fan of alternate uses for the stock minor penta patterns but that's one I never thought of.
Thanks!


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post May 7 2015, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ May 7 2015, 11:37 AM) *
I listened your backing and I played a stupid thing (please forgive me for this) smile.gif I don't know if it's what you want. I just pushed the record button and I let the backing to inspire me. It's nothing fast, clever, with a perfect timing or with a good dynamic. It's just a demo at first hand. I hope Darek will never see this demo because he will beat me biggrin.gif

[attachment=41862:Demo.mp3]


Yeah that's really cool... you're using the F#Phrygian Dominant mode which is the appropriate mode to use over those chords.. it's got a nice, dark, eastern vibe to it.

What I was suggesting in the post was the idea of using the G Major Pentatonic over the G chord instead of staying with the F# Phrygian Dominant.. so you'll have to figure out how to approach that next! smile.gif

QUOTE (klasaine @ May 7 2015, 01:39 PM) *
Cool idea.
I'm a big fan of alternate uses for the stock minor penta patterns but that's one I never thought of.
Thanks!


Me neither until recently. I love finding out new things smile.gif


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post May 7 2015, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ May 7 2015, 12:47 PM) *
Well done Monica, sounds awesome! Did this topic give you any new ideas?

Love your tone - the sustain almost makes it feel like a synth! (in a very positive way)

Thank you so much Kris. I'm happy you like it smile.gif I also start to love this high gain tone and fits good with Ben's backing, which is totally amazing. To be honest, I recorded this demo in 5 minutes and I thought 1 hour if I should post this or not. I was afraid to not sound like a crap biggrin.gif The fact that I didn't added details makes this improv to sound poor.
Yes, this topic gave me new ideas (even if I didn't respected the request of this topic in my first demo). I don’t use very often F#Phrygian Dominant and was really fun for me to make this smile.gif


QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 7 2015, 02:06 PM) *
Yeah that's really cool... you're using the F#Phrygian Dominant mode which is the appropriate mode to use over those chords.. it's got a nice, dark, eastern vibe to it.

What I was suggesting in the post was the idea of using the G Major Pentatonic over the G chord instead of staying with the F# Phrygian Dominant.. so you'll have to figure out how to approach that next! smile.gif

Yes, I understand your request and first time I tried over G chord with G major pentatonic but I liked more how it sounds with F#Phrygian Dominant. I knew that wasn't exactly your request but I couldn't resist to not use this over your awesome backing smile.gif
But…I modified a little the first demo and as a start I applied the major only in the middle part around 0:17. I wanted first to check with you if it's right in this way, before to think at a much better idea for all the backing wink.gif

Attached File  Demo_2.mp3 ( 470.66K ) Number of downloads: 46
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post May 8 2015, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ May 7 2015, 07:32 PM) *
Yes, I understand your request and first time I tried over G chord with G major pentatonic but I liked more how it sounds with F#Phrygian Dominant. I knew that wasn't exactly your request but I couldn't resist to not use this over your awesome backing smile.gif
But…I modified a little the first demo and as a start I applied the major only in the middle part around 0:17. I wanted first to check with you if it's right in this way, before to think at a much better idea for all the backing wink.gif

Attached File  Demo_2.mp3 ( 470.66K ) Number of downloads: 46


Yes you've got the idea and I really like what you've done too smile.gif Instead of just stepping up through the scale you've kept it melodic so that the focus is on the sound, not what scales you're using. Great work!



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post May 8 2015, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 8 2015, 07:54 AM) *
Yes you've got the idea and I really like what you've done too smile.gif Instead of just stepping up through the scale you've kept it melodic so that the focus is on the sound, not what scales you're using. Great work!

Thank you Ben, I'm happy you like it smile.gif Congrats for this gorgeous backing and also thank you very much for this topic. You gave me many ideas and was a really great workout to try different approaches smile.gif
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post May 8 2015, 11:43 AM
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First off: That shwartzy video clip led me to a half hour video of Arnold's kill count from most of his movies - so thank you for that one cool.gif

Second: Modes have always been difficult for me to understand but I will surely try to apply this tongue.gif


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post May 8 2015, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (Chris S. @ May 8 2015, 10:43 AM) *
First off: That shwartzy video clip led me to a half hour video of Arnold's kill count from most of his movies - so thank you for that one cool.gif


It's difficult to resist Schwarzenegger videos isn't it? wink.gif


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post May 14 2015, 08:51 PM
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If he had it set to full auto I think he could have shot the bullet holes as a fret board diagram of the pentatonic scale.



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