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Todd Simpson
post May 30 2015, 12:01 AM
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It seems that former SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, republican Senator Dennis Hastert, has been busted for paying more than 3 milliion dollars in "hush money" to a guy who he evidently had an inappropriate sexual relationship with. The victim was a student at the high school/wrestling team where Mr. Hastert was then a coach/teacher.

It started out a bit sketchy on CNN. Then more details came out and now it's full on disgusting.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/politics/den...ert-indictment/

This guy initiated legislation to be "tough on child sexual abuse" while be a child sexual abuser himself. I'm often sickened by what I read about our politicians. It's made even worse when the ones doing the most disgusting bits are often the ones engaged in the worst forms of hypocrisy such as Senator Hastert.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/us/polit...tment.html?_r=0

It's getting worse and worse it seems. All to often it's the ones screaming the loudest against something that are in fact, neck deep in it. In this case, the guy is questions is a staunch, right wing republican. But to be sure both sides of the isle are not free of guilt.

Anyone have any faith in their political system/govt from any country out there?





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post May 30 2015, 12:16 AM
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Doesn't surprise me at all.
1) He's a politician, ergo ...
2) Do we know if the kid was a minor at the time - ?


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post May 30 2015, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 29 2015, 11:01 PM) *
Anyone have any faith in their political system/govt from any country out there?


Thats really discousting sad.gif

Next week we have an election, obvious the current party will win again which I hate...

But to decrease their power in the parliamentary, another party must have enough votes which also sucks (its an election system thing I rather not bore anyone with) . Sucks cause that partys (actual) leader is the worst terrorist in Turkey's history...Atleast to me...

To be honest I vote but hate politicians in general. Seems all their carrer is based on a.s kissing and they lose charater at some point in their life till they die.

I heard Europe (specifically the old and richer countrys) has things sorted out better for such issue, though they are also famous for their protesters too.

Anyway, as I see it for me to have the ideal parliamentary for my country is like 10 to 15 years away and who knows what will happen till then. So no hope from me smile.gif


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post May 30 2015, 04:03 AM
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The number of members of congress has not increased since the beginning of the 20th century. In fact the Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929 fixed the number. As a result each congressman represents about 700,000 people.

Britain with 1/5 our population has more representatives. Germany with 1/4 our population as 1 1/2 times as many reprentatives. That House was meant to represent the regular people, established with a minimum representation of 30,000 per Congressman.

If we demanded that they change this, increase the number to say at least 2,000, you would actually have grass roots Representatives, they might even knock on your door to talk to you. Things would change. For one thing the ridiculous stone age practice of them meeting in a cramped room in D.C. would end, they would teleconference. It would not be more costly, in fact it would probably save money. Only those who rose to leadership positions would have jobs like they have to day, most of them would have lower positions, representing a smaller constituency. They would not like that I am sure. You would probably end up more parties, rather than the two headed monster we have in place now. Things would change, all for the better, all one needs is the vision to see that. The House would actually represent us common citizens as it was intended.

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post May 30 2015, 05:02 AM
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Evidently he was the kids wrestling coach and it appears the kid was a minor at the time and has been blackmailing the senator for years.


QUOTE (klasaine @ May 29 2015, 07:16 PM) *
Doesn't surprise me at all.
1) He's a politician, ergo ...
2) Do we know if the kid was a minor at the time - ?



We have sold our birthright IMHO. Once donation money became counted as "free speech" we basically sold all of our influence to the big money contributors and corporations/pacs. So now politicians have a bought and paid for agenda when they reach office. Until the "citizens united" case is overturned, we are going to be stuck heading down the toilet bowl of a "once great" country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

QUOTE (fkalich @ May 29 2015, 11:03 PM) *
The number of members of congress has not increased since the beginning of the 20th century. In fact the Permanent Apportionment Act .. Things would change, all for the better, all one needs is the vision to see that. The House would actually represent us common citizens as it was intended.


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post May 30 2015, 06:23 AM
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The thing about politicians is that if they want the job, there is something really suspicious about them. No one would take the job unless they were working some kind of scam.
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post Jun 1 2015, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 29 2015, 08:02 PM) *
We have sold our birthright IMHO. Once donation money became counted as "free speech" we basically sold all of our influence to the big money contributors and corporations/pacs. So now politicians have a bought and paid for agenda when they reach office. Until the "citizens united" case is overturned, we are going to be stuck heading down the toilet bowl of a "once great" country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC


It has been this way since long before the Citizens United decision. Government in general (with some exceptions) has not represented the people for a long time, especially the career politicians. They represent themselves, bigger government that wants to control everything, and those that will pay the way for them to do so. Citizens United changed nothing. Remember when O said he was going to do away with lobbyists in the runup to his first term? This actually gave me hope but it turned out to be complete BS as usual.
But hey, Hillary will be different right? laugh.gif
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post Jun 1 2015, 07:06 PM
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Sorry Todd, only read the title, and I must really say... are there really any other kind? laugh.gif


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post Jun 2 2015, 07:45 PM
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It certainly got a LOT worse after citizens imho as it really paved the way for money to completely take over with ZERO oversight possible under law. I fear we may have sold our birthright for good this time. Oh well. The good news is that the Chinese are starting to embrace Heavy Metal and before long they will probably have more democracy than we have here which isn't saying much wink.gif

QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jun 1 2015, 11:18 AM) *
It has been this way since long before the Citizens United decision. Government in general (with some exceptions) has not represented the people for a long time, especially the career politicians. They represent themselves, bigger government that wants to control everything, and those that will pay the way for them to do so. Citizens United changed nothing. Remember when O said he was going to do away with lobbyists in the runup to his first term? This actually gave me hope but it turned out to be complete BS as usual.
But hey, Hillary will be different right? laugh.gif



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post Jun 2 2015, 08:53 PM
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What's funny is I consider myself a conservative libertarian. Meaning I lean to the right in my gut feelings on things - however on every political spectrum test I've taken I fall just to the left of center in the more passive side - near where Ghandi scores if you can believe that.

So if I consider myself conservative, the left, which really get under my freaking skin, must be really freaking far to the left - Lunatic Left.

We are so polarized by the MSM it's ridiculous. It's as if there are only 2 teams and you have to pull all for 1 team with all your heart, mind and soul - or else you're labeled on the other team.

So I've determined that in actuality I'm a Dontgiveafuckricrat.

I have never voted for either party when it comes to the Presidency - and have always voted for the 3rd option which EVERY SINGLE TIME the media paints as whacks. Because that is the agenda - status quo. The 2 major parties are both bought and paid for and will never change anything, just keep us bickering on the same tired issues that households can't agree on much less an entire country. And both are stripping away our privacy and our rights in the name of security.

I will give it to Obama that he did pass Obamacare, it's just that Obamacare sucks. And Amnesty will be given to illegal aliens by both parties because neither party wants to look like the meanie, plus it would insure their votes and keep them in power.

Right now I like 2 candidates but the one I'm most for is Rand Paul. If he becomes a viable candidate, which he will, the media will make him look like a fool and the nation will drink the koolaide just like they did with Obama and stay stupid and asleep. Likely to believe the people in white coats on commercials are actual doctors.

If we don't kill off our species first, there will be a New World Order, it's inevitable, and we're just going through the birth pangs of it. Being stripped of our national identities in favor of a global community - we'll not see it in our lifetime though. The United States is going to change, the constitution will change and what we grew up believing was right will be looked at with disdain from future politically correct generations.

It's called subversion and it takes years, but it works. We can see it all around us...

Don't think so? Watch this clip of an interview from 1985 and see how prophetic it is.




Netflix has done a wonderful job of showing us a glimpse of just how ruthless and corrupt the people in Washington are with the series House of Cards - great series if you haven't seen it.

Here's the fact - the people in control are screwed up, just like each of us are screwed up, they just have the power to vote perks for themselves into law.

Anyway, just wanted to rant incoherently on the internet. May as well scream at a drawer full of socks.

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post Jun 3 2015, 03:09 PM
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Man, I can really kill a thread!!!

Here's another example of how "FREE" our country is becoming...

FLORIDA COURT RULES “OFF GRID” LIVING ILLEGAL
Robin Speronis had been living in an off-grid home for many years without incident, until she was interviewed by a local FOX affiliate in November of 2013

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Robin Speronis had been living in an off-grid home for many years without incident, until she was interviewed by a local FOX affiliate in November of 2013. Shortly thereafter, the city of Cape Coral tagged a “notice to vacate” on her property, due to multiple code violations, all of which stem from the fact that her home isn’t connected to water, sewage, or the electrical grid. The city has tried to argue that she is in violation of the International Property Maintenance Code for relying on rainwater and solar panels, instead of utilities.

Since that time, Speronis has been fighting the courts for her right live off the grid. Magistrate Harold Eskins recently ruled that she can live without using water or electricity, but she still has to be connected to these utilities no matter what. Despite his ruling, Eskins admitted to the press that the code may be unfair, “Reasonableness and code requirements don’t always go hand-in-hand.” Despite his supposed sympathies, he still feels compelled to enforce the code.

Still, Speronis has decided not to give up, and will continued to defend her case in court. Even if she doesn’t win, she has no plans to leave her home. “Even if they board the house up, I’m not leaving…They did the best they could when they took my dogs and arrested me. It fell apart because I’m unshakable.”


http://www.infowars.com/florida-court-rule...living-illegal/
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post Jun 3 2015, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 2 2015, 10:45 AM) *
It certainly got a LOT worse after citizens imho as it really paved the way for money to completely take over with ZERO oversight possible under law. I fear we may have sold our birthright for good this time. Oh well. The good news is that the Chinese are starting to embrace Heavy Metal and before long they will probably have more democracy than we have here which isn't saying much wink.gif


I understand your concern but the fact of the matter is that before the Citizens United decision there were ways to legally skirt the oversight that was in place before. So it's hard for me to see how anything has really changed. As far as I can tell it's just business as usual.
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QUOTE (Spock @ Jun 3 2015, 06:09 AM) *
Man, I can really kill a thread!!!


laugh.gif Nice posts Spock. It is interesting reading about your political spectrum tests. I agree that the left of today is actually far left since what is considered the middle has actually moved left over past decades. The Republicans of today are the Democrats of yesterday, and the Democrats of today are are the Socialists, Marxists and Communists of yesterday. But I fear that the two parties we have today both seek the same end game and are actually two sides of the same coin. Hopefully I won't be around long enough to see the country totally go down the toilet.
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jun 3 2015, 05:44 PM) *
laugh.gif Nice posts Spock. It is interesting reading about your political spectrum tests. I agree that the left of today is actually far left since what is considered the middle has actually moved left over past decades. The Republicans of today are the Democrats of yesterday, and the Democrats of today are are the Socialists, Marxists and Communists of yesterday. But I fear that the two parties we have today both seek the same end game and are actually two sides of the same coin. Hopefully I won't be around long enough to see the country totally go down the toilet.

The problem is I might not be around , but my children will . How can I not be passionate about that
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post Jun 6 2015, 12:34 AM
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I don't have any children but if I did, I'd make certain they learned to speak MANDARIN fluently and FARSI at least partially. Mandarin is going to rise with the Dragon as it were and being able to speak it will be more and more crucial. FARSI on the other hand is something that can just put one at the head of the pack in terms of many important careers mostly related to energy/oil and in the broad sense, for the next several decades, everything is about energy/oil. Certainly farsi would be nice, but Mandarin is simply crucial.

We are going to be the "second' largest economy in the world in a very short time and history has shown us that one needs to speak the tongue of whoever is the first largest wink.gif



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post Jun 6 2015, 02:42 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 5 2015, 04:34 PM) *
I don't have any children but if I did, I'd make certain they learned to speak MANDARIN fluently and FARSI at least partially.


Hmmm ... probably not so much.
http://www.edulang.com/blog/will-everyone-...hinese-in-2030/
Chinese is really hard. English is easy and intonation and inflection is not a crucial element of it as it is with Oriental languages. English is already the global language of business and research not to mention - the internet. Notice what we speak here at GMC. That won't change even when/if we become the beta dog.

*Arabic is more important if you wanna get into the oil biz. Maybe some Russian.

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jun 6 2015, 02:42 AM) *
*Arabic will be more important if you wanna get into the oil biz. Maybe some Russian.

my older kids are learning Spanish, as I think in the near future it will open up opportunities more
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 6 2015, 05:14 AM) *
my older kids are learning Spanish, as I think in the near future it will open up opportunities more


In the states, absolutely Spanish!



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The only thing I have LESS faith in is the legal system:



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I didn't say "everyone" would be speaking chinese smile.gif Just that it would behoove children growing up to learn it, given that China WILL be the worlds largest Economy in the years to come smile.gif Lots of jobs/money/companies etc. will need westerners that speak Mandarin. Just as simple as that. So yeah, chinese is really hard. It will be a huge feather in ones cap coming up in years to come smile.gif

Arabic and FARSI are two entirely languages of course, but not everyone knows that. The reason I suggest Farsi over Arabic (despite have FAR fewer speaker than Arabic) is that most of "troubles" coming the oil rich parts of the world are being caused and dealt with by folks/companies/clientele that speak Farsi. Being able to understand it will give one a serious edge in international opportunity simply because there are just not that many westerners who speak it.

But then again, as I said, I don't have kids smile.gif

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Hmmm ... probably not so much.
http://www.edulang.com/blog/will-everyone-...hinese-in-2030/
Chinese is really hard. English is easy and intonation and inflection is not a crucial element of it as it is with Oriental languages. English is already the global language of business and research not to mention - the internet. Notice what we speak here at GMC. That won't change even when/if we become the beta dog.

*Arabic is more important if you wanna get into the oil biz. Maybe some Russian.


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