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post Jun 13 2015, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jun 12 2015, 10:12 PM) *
Hey Daeron, let me know if you'd like to give this one a go. I'm sure we could work out a cool take together. It can also be in any lenght really as I'm not sure how we'll end up in the final mix of the collab in terms of will I be using all the takes in full or making a sort of "musical medley" out of the "amazing bits" from everyone.


Hi Bogdan

I don't feel able to create something at the moment but I like to listen at these collab works !
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post Jun 13 2015, 04:10 PM
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Hello hello,
I would like to join for this collab if there is space smile.gif
This is the result of my jamming with the backing track
Attached File  collab.mp3 ( 2.98MB ) Number of downloads: 100




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post Jun 13 2015, 04:56 PM
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nice take my frien Opeth holics smile.gif

i currently learn faith in the other smile.gif

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post Jun 13 2015, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 13 2015, 03:56 PM) *
nice take my frien Opeth holics smile.gif

i currently learn faith in the other smile.gif

Laurent

Thank you Laurent smile.gif Faith In Others is a beautiful song!! Would like to listen to your rendition if you record it!


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post Jun 13 2015, 05:14 PM
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Hi Bogdan

i love to do experiments...... deal, i'am your man.

i'll do this tomorow, because tomorow i do play guitar to please my wife smile.gif

but count on me to do the best as i can smile.gif

Laurent

QUOTE (Opetholic @ Jun 13 2015, 04:05 PM) *
Thank you Laurent smile.gif Faith In Others is a beautiful song!! Would like to listen to your rendition if you record it!


yes this song is awesome !! i really love this dramatic feeling

for now i learn the rythmic section, i have a lot to do, but i think it's a good job to learn rythm and chords.

it looks like a jazz chords , not like a 4bar rock one, plesant to learn, pleasant to play

i know it fully for two first minutes edit: now until minutes 6

Laurent

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post Jun 13 2015, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 13 2015, 03:40 AM) *
So this is my first take from it:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/gmc-feeling-collab-take-one

Will definitely develop it a bit further.

Any advice? What do you like and dislike about it?

Thanks biggrin.gif


Hey Chris, great to have your take already.
First of all - what I dislike? It is no techno djent! tongue.gif

I have listened to the take and generally you have some really nice ideas in there. I like your tone which fits the backing nicely. What I was missing in the take was a defined and catchy phrasing in terms of rhythm. You had several licks played one after the other using same note values and rhythm (just changing the notes). This even though fits the backing musically as the notes are correct, phrasing wise doesn't feel strong enough if the rhythm is not varied in terms of note values combinations.

Now, my suggestion would be to take the best out of this jam and create a new super take.

If I were you, I'd probably go for these phrases:

0:14-0-16 - great phrase utilizing raking technique!
0:36 -0:45 - this whole section sounds awesome. Pay attention to the bending pitch there but otherwise, tone wise and dynamics wise is very strong sounding.

Maybe try to create another take using the sections and phrasing from the above? As always, my suggestion is to always go for short and strong solo and I think you are almost there. Please jam along using the ideas that you played in those sections and feel free to upload new jams/takes, I'd love to hear how you evolve your take.

QUOTE (Daeron @ Jun 13 2015, 10:08 AM) *
Hi Bogdan

I don't feel able to create something at the moment but I like to listen at these collab works !


Sounds good Daeron! smile.gif

If you feel about a challenge, I'd suggest to just jam along the backing track using these notes:





Of course, it would be just for fun - you don't need to upload anything here.





QUOTE (Opetholic @ Jun 13 2015, 05:10 PM) *
Hello hello,
I would like to join for this collab if there is space smile.gif
This is the result of my jamming with the backing track
Attached File  collab.mp3 ( 2.98MB ) Number of downloads: 100


It is a pleasure to have you in this one! smile.gif

0:00-0:25 - I think that this part is pretty strong sounding. It would be worth polishing up. Pay attention to the timing, in the beginning you are rushing in front of the beat with the phrases. Also, double check bending parts that you are reaching the correct pitches.

0:36-0:45 - now this shredding phrasing/licks bit is pretty awesome sounding. In the take you are playing it a bit sloppy but if you could get it down technique wise, I think that it would be a blast to include it as part of the solo.

0-48-0:53 - double stops and bending double stops here sound great. The rest of the take here goes into phrasing which is technically and musically correct but features repetitive phrasing in terms of rhythm. This backing makes it easy to fall into the trap of using "long notes" and "same note values combinations and rhythms" over and over again. To counter this, try to intentionally mix in different rhythms and note values. Split a quarter note into two 8ths, add pauses, combine and experiment smile.gif

Overall, my suggestion with this take would be to combine the above ideas into a new, shorter and more compressed take.
You could also consider utilizing more double stops and double stop bending to add even more emotion.

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 13 2015, 06:14 PM) *
Hi Bogdan

i love to do experiments...... deal, i'am your man.

i'll do this tomorow, because tomorow i do play guitar to please my wife smile.gif

but count on me to do the best as i can smile.gif

Laurent


Sounds like a plan! Looking forward to hearing what you come up with smile.gif


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post Jun 14 2015, 02:07 AM
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I always know by the first few bites if I'll join a collaboration and this one's got the "it". Instantly wrote lyrics for it and sang very nicely through it.

Seeing all the people in this place heavy,
We burrow ourselves until break levy
Across this table our eyes our eyes heavy
Told you I loved you we can now bury

This beautiful friendship took flight when nobody's looking

But I am never gonna wake up.... No I'll never wake up


Even in the silence your voice still rings heavy
Cause I'm drifting through life and you'll be the death of me when time is ready.

But I'm never gonna wake up.


I hope to put something unique to this one!

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post Jun 14 2015, 07:08 PM
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Here is an acoustic lead that I made for this track. What do you think?
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post Jun 14 2015, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Jun 14 2015, 03:07 AM) *
I always know by the first few bites if I'll join a collaboration and this one's got the "it". Instantly wrote lyrics for it and sang very nicely through it.

Seeing all the people in this place heavy,
We burrow ourselves until break levy
Across this table our eyes our eyes heavy
Told you I loved you we can now bury

This beautiful friendship took flight when nobody's looking

But I am never gonna wake up.... No I'll never wake up


Even in the silence your voice still rings heavy
Cause I'm drifting through life and you'll be the death of me when time is ready.

But I'm never gonna wake up.


I hope to put something unique to this one!


WOW man, I didn't expect this! smile.gif

It's awesome to have your vocals over this one.

Here are my impressions on the recording:

The vocal melodies and singing in this section is perfect, I wouldn't change a thing :

"Seeing all the people in this place heavy,
We burrow ourselves until break levy
Across this table our eyes our eyes heavy
Told you I loved you we can now bury"

...now the rest of the vocal melodies feel like they are not there yet. Don't get me wrong, they are good but somehow they feel like you were running out of ideas for the phrasing and note choice. The first verse sounds really good in terms of the melody and everything. I'd suggest re-working the rest in a similar manner and maybe going for a 2x verse 1x chorus type of structure. I think that the 2nd verse melody and others till the end were not on the level of the first verse phrasing and melody wise. Maybe simplify it and sing using the same melody again and then make a catchy chorus melody? You currently go for a bit of verse>bridge>chorus kind of melody structure with your singing.

Overall this was really fresh and your voice is so expressive - great job man! smile.gif

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Jun 14 2015, 08:08 PM) *
Here is an acoustic lead that I made for this track. What do you think?


00:00-0:23 - phrasing is really nice and interesting, it just that the timing feels to be rushed and you end up playing in front of the beat. Try playing the same thing laid back. This means you should essentially try being a bit late on purpose. I think that it would make solo really blend with the backing track then.

0:26-0:46 - what I imagined in this part when listening to it is the addition of double stops or even triads (mini chord strums) in this section over some of the notes, especially ones you pluck repeatedly several times. Something like this maybe but in the correct style of music smile.gif Link : https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Around-The-World-Russia/ ; https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Double-Stop-Melody/

00:47-end - I think that this was the most interesting part of the solo. What I'm missing in general would be playing more horizontally and changing positions. Acoustic guitar can sound awesome in lower positions on the neck and utilizing bass strings and then moving horizontally up the neck.

Overall, this was very fresh and the licks will fit the collab really well. First thing that came to my mind was the Scorpions Acoustica live album and solos from it :




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post Jun 15 2015, 01:52 AM
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Hey Bogdan!

Not sure if I took a few steps forward or a few steps backward with this one:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/gmc-feelings-collab-take-two

The playing is a bit sloppy - my goal was to get some new ideas down rather than focusing on keeping it clean.

Any thoughts, mate?

Thanks! biggrin.gif

EDIT: Forgot to cut the end of the track tongue.gif

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post Jun 15 2015, 06:56 PM
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Hi Bogdan

this is the requested take...... i'm not conviced, but i'have done it

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/feelings-collab-v1-wtb

the guitar only track

tell me.... but personally i prefer the first take, i have the files if necessary !

[attachment=42217:Feelings_Collab_V1.mp3]

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post Jun 15 2015, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 15 2015, 02:52 AM) *
Hey Bogdan!

Not sure if I took a few steps forward or a few steps backward with this one:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/gmc-feelings-collab-take-two

The playing is a bit sloppy - my goal was to get some new ideas down rather than focusing on keeping it clean.

Any thoughts, mate?

Thanks! biggrin.gif

EDIT: Forgot to cut the end of the track tongue.gif


Let's go for this take Chris, I like it. With polishing it should work very well in the track! smile.gif
Please concentrate on 0:24 section, there are some minor bugs in there otherwise pretty strong take theme wise.

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 15 2015, 07:56 PM) *
Hi Bogdan

this is the requested take...... i'm not conviced, but i'have done it

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/feelings-collab-v1-wtb

the guitar only track

tell me.... but personally i prefer the first take, i have the files if necessary !

[attachment=42217:Feelings_Collab_V1.mp3]

Laurent


Hey Laurent - this is it! smile.gif
I have compared it with the original take and this one feels much stronger as it is defined, you play it well and rehearsed. You have captured really good feelings in this one, I think it will work well in the collab final mix. Please make the soundcloud take which is in the mix with the backing track downloadable (I need a file with the backing track and guitar only for mixing purposes).


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I also would like to join if there is time, Here is my rough draft, criticism highly requested.

https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/feelings-colabmp3


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Hi Bogdan,
Thanks for the feedback smile.gif
I chopped off my jamming and came up with the message I want to give for this track smile.gif
Attached File  collab_2.mp3 ( 1.28MB ) Number of downloads: 64



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nice take Opethfriend

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Hi Bogdan

I don't feel able to create something at the moment but I like to listen at these collab works !


Daeron, i don't care about what you say, you can do nice stuff, you have give the proof at my collab project !

be honest and do a try

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QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 16 2015, 08:23 PM) *
Daeron, i don't care about what you say, you can do nice stuff, you have give the proof at my collab project !


In BB King Collab, that was easier for me because I had the mix made with the others jamming. I had to listen the jam and then imagine something that could fit.

Here, it's like a blank page and I don't know where to go ! laugh.gif
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don't matter, work in the same way, listen the other contrib , the metric is simple, and it loop everytime, so you cannot be wrong !

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QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 16 2015, 07:10 AM) *
I also would like to join if there is time, Here is my rough draft, criticism highly requested.

https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/feelings-colabmp3


Hey Ricky9, great to have you in this one!
There is a lot of time, we've just started this collab.

Here I go with my comments, I tried to be detailed smile.gif

0:03-0:15 : octaves are a great and fresh idea! What I'm noticing and this is a tendency in other parts of your improv is that you like to stick to same rhythm patterns in your phrasing. When I say rhythm, I'm referring to a combination of note values. Phrasing is composed both of using different notes (pitches) and note values (duration of notes). To make the phrasing interesting, trick is to avoid playing the exact same rhythm patterns (random example : 2x 8th notes followed by 1 quarter note followed by 2x 8th notes) as then even though we change notes, the section remains too similar and starts to feel repetitive. I'm mention this because in the octaves section you play the same rhythm twice and the groove you chose slightly breaks the flow of the melody (it stops). Here you can see a good example of changing rhythm in the phrasing when playing with octaves: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Rhythm-Soul-Octaves/ ; https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...-style-octaves/ ...I'd suggest changing the 2nd repetition of the octaves part with a more developed melody and rhythm, possibly going for higher positions on the guitar for more open sound.

0:15-0:24 - this is interesting question and answer phrasing. What I'm reacting this when listening to it is the straight 8th notes run which starts the lick. It sounds just a bit like a scale exercise. Maybe try to spice it up and change the first repetition of it in terms of breaking down the run to different note durations (you can break 2x 8th notes into 1 quarter note). it is an interesting lick, it just needs more dynamics and tricks to make it feel more expressive.

0:26-0:47 - this part sounds like ok jamming but it doesn't have the x factor previous parts/licks have. We could skip this section.

0:48-end - this part of the solo rocks. I like how smooth you play it, the phrasing here is more interesting and you also play it a bit bouncy and swingy which is great.

My suggestion for a final take would be to rework 0:00-0:24 section per comments above and connect it straight to 0:48-end licks you played. This should work well for the collab track.



QUOTE (Opetholic @ Jun 16 2015, 09:23 PM) *
Hi Bogdan,
Thanks for the feedback smile.gif
I chopped off my jamming and came up with the message I want to give for this track smile.gif
Attached File  collab_2.mp3 ( 1.28MB ) Number of downloads: 64


Great please send me all the files :

1. Guitar solo with the backing track
2. Guitar solo without the backing

I think that this take sounds very nice and I really like that it is focused. Great job man! smile.gif
There is a small tendency of rushing a bit here and there but I think I can fix it in the final mix but moving the whole take just a bit behind the beat making it "late on purpose" smile.gif

QUOTE (Daeron @ Jun 16 2015, 10:28 PM) *
In BB King Collab, that was easier for me because I had the mix made with the others jamming. I had to listen the jam and then imagine something that could fit.

Here, it's like a blank page and I don't know where to go ! laugh.gif


What I'd do and which I'd suggest everyone (hint hint) is to steal some licks from this lesson: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/C-Minor-Soul-Blues/

Especially ones which are played when the backing track stops, everyone seems to be making a pause there instead of a solo which functions as a bridge.

Seriously, you could listen to the lesson to get inspiration and then even sing a short melody. In the end, I'll probably need only short bits of solos for the final mix to make it effective and diverse.

You can use the notes from the C minor pentatonic scale or C minor scale as a notes choice/pallet.


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Thanks for the feedback Bogdan, i will definitely work on this, that's what makes this colabs so awesome. Having direct feedback from you guys just makes u better players, Thanks a lot. See you soon with a new take.


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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jun 14 2015, 06:22 PM) *
WOW man, I didn't expect this! smile.gif

It's awesome to have your vocals over this one.

Here are my impressions on the recording:

The vocal melodies and singing in this section is perfect, I wouldn't change a thing :

"Seeing all the people in this place heavy,
We burrow ourselves until break levy
Across this table our eyes our eyes heavy
Told you I loved you we can now bury"

...now the rest of the vocal melodies feel like they are not there yet. Don't get me wrong, they are good but somehow they feel like you were running out of ideas for the phrasing and note choice. The first verse sounds really good in terms of the melody and everything. I'd suggest re-working the rest in a similar manner and maybe going for a 2x verse 1x chorus type of structure. I think that the 2nd verse melody and others till the end were not on the level of the first verse phrasing and melody wise. Maybe simplify it and sing using the same melody again and then make a catchy chorus melody? You currently go for a bit of verse>bridge>chorus kind of melody structure with your singing.

Overall this was really fresh and your voice is so expressive - great job man! smile.gif



00:00-0:23 - phrasing is really nice and interesting, it just that the timing feels to be rushed and you end up playing in front of the beat. Try playing the same thing laid back. This means you should essentially try being a bit late on purpose. I think that it would make solo really blend with the backing track then.

0:26-0:46 - what I imagined in this part when listening to it is the addition of double stops or even triads (mini chord strums) in this section over some of the notes, especially ones you pluck repeatedly several times. Something like this maybe but in the correct style of music smile.gif Link : https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Around-The-World-Russia/ ; https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Double-Stop-Melody/

00:47-end - I think that this was the most interesting part of the solo. What I'm missing in general would be playing more horizontally and changing positions. Acoustic guitar can sound awesome in lower positions on the neck and utilizing bass strings and then moving horizontally up the neck.

Overall, this was very fresh and the licks will fit the collab really well. First thing that came to my mind was the Scorpions Acoustica live album and solos from it :



Hey Bogdan the scorpions were one of my first bands I ever listened to. Rock you like a hurricane!!!!!! So cheesy yet good it its own right.
As for the collab, your suggestions are great and I will try and bring it all together in a new take. You were right about the vocal phrasing and the guitar solo. If I can combine them it will sound really great! Have a good day!
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