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post Dec 27 2015, 11:52 PM
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It's The Lil Night Train, see here wink.gif

No fx loop sad.gif

That's where that Laney Ironheart seems to score points, very versatile and switchable wattage, fx loop, reamp feature, direct out, etc smile.gif

http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/...t-studio-574874

It may be a bit of a one trick pony aimed more at metal and shed so it may be worth waiting to see if they do a Lionheart version wink.gif

Or this http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/...5-studio-626158
It would be nice if they did a 2U Rack version of the Lionheart L5 . The Ironheart has a Rack and a head version but the Rack version has more features.

I'm not going to rush into it but I think this is the kind of thing for me wink.gif

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post Dec 28 2015, 10:21 AM
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While the blackstar does the job fine, that vox does sound a bit sweeter to me but I must say I really like vox sound in general smile.gif can you do that with pedal sound clip mentioned before? I'd like to hear it boosted with the pedal too.

Yeah the laney does seem to have the feature department covered, my only concern is if its sounds a bit too metal for you?

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post Dec 28 2015, 10:26 AM
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Thanks Mertay,

Please see the edit in my previous post.


Those recordings were the Vox with gain at 12 o clock and the Hotbird set how we left it wink.gif

I think I'm going to use the Vox as my main amp. It has much more clarity. It's not too good with the little Vox cab for me, it has a bit too much middle but pretty good with the black star.

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post Dec 28 2015, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 28 2015, 09:26 AM) *
Thanks Mertay,

Please see the edit in my previous post.


Those recordings were the Vox with gain at 12 o clock and the Hotbird set how we left it wink.gif

I think I'm going to use the Vox as my main amp. It has much more clarity. It's not too good with the little Vox cab for me, it has a bit too much middle but pretty good with the black star.

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Is the vox such a clean amp? I suspect a setting on the hotbird must be changed cause thats a really clean signal very unlike to what you shared with the blackstar+hotbird, could you double check specially the pedal and the settings?

The L5-studio does sound nice, more versatile if you ask me. Keep in mind while I guess you might want the cab. out for special occasions like a guest might be in the house etc. I think you'll use a re-amping feature very rare once you get to know an amp. So when checking out the options don't limit yourself for a re-amping feature.

Since when you record, listen the backing from computer and listening yourself from the amp, an fx loop is what you need most for reverb/delay addition.

edit; a no pedal+gain all the way turned example also would help me to understand the vox smile.gif

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post Dec 28 2015, 05:16 PM
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biggrin.gif Thanks Mertay,
I'll check it out later, there may have been too much sherry in the trifle wink.gif , maybe I didn't press the switch on the Hotbird unsure.gif
I'll do it again later on and also the full gain Vox only.
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post Dec 28 2015, 05:22 PM
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Cool smile.gif we did almost all the previous tone tests on the blackstar so changing the amp needs a bit of getting used to for me.

By the way, you mentioned clarity for the vox. Could you open that? clarity is usually used for being the opposite of muddy or details being transfered better on X device or source, I felt like you ment something maybe else.


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post Dec 28 2015, 05:31 PM
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It is much more crisp sounding, less muddy, it rings out more. Side by side the Blackstar sounds as though there is a cushion in front of the speaker in comparison. The Vox is more "open". Sound is very difficult to explain, unsure.gif

I have fallen in love with THIS just for the retro looks, it makes me think of a VW camper van on its way to the beach rolleyes.gif I need to trade some gear. It's gorgeous wub.gif



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post Dec 28 2015, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 28 2015, 04:31 PM) *
It is much more crisp sounding, less muddy, it rings out more. Side by side the Blackstar sounds as though there is a cushion in front of the speaker in comparison. The Vox is more "open". Sound is very difficult to explain, unsure.gif

I have fallen in love with THIS just for the retro looks, it makes me think of a VW camper van on its way to the beach rolleyes.gif I need to trade some gear. It's gorgeous wub.gif


I think I understand, as the amounth of distortion increases the "openness" of an amp must also decrease cause with lots of distortion the high freq.s can really sound rough/hurt ears.

Although very versatile, there is a side of the blackstar being on the metal side. But you should try getting a similar distortion on the vox too and then figure out which "school" of amps is really for you. That rack Laney for example, I would also expect it not to have much highs like the blackstar as its metal oriented.

Listening to the laney L5, its not a very shreddy amp;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzxO2UXgwlk




so I think these are good examples to understand as there are limitations to amps and we must be careful to choose what area of the sound spectrum we'll be using.



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post Dec 28 2015, 10:11 PM
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Hello Mertay,

OK sound files as requested, gain on Vox 12 o clock. On the recordings with full gain and no Hotbird the vol was at about 9 o clock. Same thing, chords on bridge then neck same PRS Ace guitar.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vox-bright-with-hotbird

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vox-thick-with-hotbird

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vox-bright-full-gain

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vox-thick-full-gain

To be honest, with the Laney, I love all of the tones he gets in the review below, Paul Glover does some great honest reviews, there is a track he has recorded using it too.
I like some metal, Sabbath, Pantera etc but listen and aspire more to playing stuff like SRV, Black Stone Cherry, Satch, Thunder, that kind of thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSCj4_CA_pc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DJMJzVyEQY



Here is Paul Glovers review of the Ironheart, there's a big "Thank you" piece for the first 50 seconds but after that there is a section where he plays it clean, I think it is pretty sparkling, not much playing after that, he talks through the features. It sounds better than expected clean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSP7QUTbznA


Here is a demo of the Lionheart by the crazy dudes at Andertons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv996M1S1hg


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post Dec 28 2015, 10:49 PM
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I haven't listened thunder before, opened the first track I saw and youtube and the tone was very like what can come out of an L5 from the demo's I heard so far.

Thanks for the vox tracks, I get it now smile.gif did you notice how the drive is different from the blackstar? on the vox the drive sound feels like its squeezed when there is more gain, unlike the blackstar as it starts to sound like a marshall stack...

There's a good chance the L5 will sound like your vox (while the ironheat like blackstar) when gain is full or when you're hitting it hard with the hotbird pedal. You'll definitly get as said tones like Thunder but for Satch solo sound you'll probably need a distortion pedal and the L5 would work on the clean channel.

It's not about which one is better in general or for you but I just wanted to try and note what you should expect from the amps if you decide to pull the trigger smile.gif

So back to the vox; for cleans do you prefer the bright channel with the treble eq decreased or the thick channel with the treble eq open? smile.gif

With the blackstar using the overdrive of the pedal we could get shreddy drive sounds but with the vox I think we'll have more success with the fuzz to reach that height of distortion.

My first impression of most practical setup is; Vox set almost clean (drive somewhere in the middle), overdrive gain a bit high but output not very high for dirty/bluesy tones and fuzz for shreddy tones (maybe both sides of the pedal working together will sound better on the vox? remind me to test this when we've progressed abit) smile.gif

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post Dec 28 2015, 11:46 PM
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Thank you so much Mertay,
I really appreciate everything and I'm really feeling bad that if I change my amp we have to start again. I am really enjoying this but I don't want to be a burden on you. Please please please tell me when you've had enough.
I'm really taken with the Laney L5 Studio.
For some classic Thunder check out https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=707733


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post Dec 29 2015, 12:04 AM
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Nah this is fun for me smile.gif I got to know alot about your rig too in the process, it sort of like going to the shop and testing stuff when you share sound demos smile.gif

But what I want most for you is commitment to an amp (atleast 2-3 years) as mentioned before, an amp is as primary on someones tone as a guitar cause we build everything around them. Thats why if you like something but it needs budget saving I'll always vote for saving cash...

So if you end-up getting the L5 promise me not to start looking a week later at the huge 8-10 tube guitar amps, also I hope your wife won't kick you out of the house cause of this gas of yours biggrin.gif


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Lol the wife is not a problem at all I just want a single versatile amp that maybe needs the Hotbird to get more out of it wink.gif
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So what did you make of the Ironheart and the L5 in the Paul Glover demo? smile.gif


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Laney's are cool, they have their own vibe and character going on.

The ironheart is a very nicely thought out unit but I guess I like british amp-vibe even for metal. Sort of reflects my thoughts of mesa, great amps and would love to have one but wouldn't be my first choice smile.gif

Persoanlly I like jcm800 sort of amps but thicker voiced, the amp has to be able to accept lots of gain. The L5 stops at the point of a bit more after breakup, which is cool as a lot can be done with those voicings. Since I'm on the shreddy side I'd probably need 1-2 pedals with that amp.

I guess the L5 is much more towards your likings and besides character I noticed the knobs were usually very close to the middle on all sound examples. Seems its tuned to give specific sounds instead of huge versatility but adjusting the amp for any need would be easy and this is a nice plus for you smile.gif


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Thanks Mertay,
Is funny how things change smile.gif I've just read the first few posts in this discussion and I was saying I didn't need another amp and now I'm thinking of getting one. I will keep the Vox, it's a work of art and so cute wink.gif I'll probably swap a 4x8 for a 1x12.
I originally got the Hotbird to go in front of the GT-001 after you said about dynamics being better through an analogue pedal which they are, and now I'm looking at amps laugh.gif

I was going to try the GT-001 in front of the amp with the Hotbird in front of the GT-001 but I have to us one of the speaker outs.
If I get an amp with fx loop might think about swapping the GT-001 for an interface and maybe get some sort of effects unit for the loop but that's later on.

Back to the amp, I'd like something that has a good tonal range and sparkly cleans, drive doesn't need to go beyond This really I don't think, and we always have the Hotbird wink.gif It needs to sound good at around 90db so I'm more than open to suggestions. I'm going to put it into the gear forum just to get suggestions, I hope you don't think it's because I don't trust your judgement, is just to open it up to people who may not venture into this discussion wink.gif I could do with a 3watt JVM4 laugh.gif

The thing is, I'm not looking for one tone as I enter some of the collabs and the sounds required vary as do the takes for lessons for REC.

Back to the Hotbird, I asked Valerio what the mid edge knob actually does, his answer was "+ 7db (6db/oct) from 300 to 2.5K Hz " which will mean more to you than me wink.gif I haven't had that switched in for any of the tests yet wink.gif

Cheers buddy

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As we build everything around the amp its really about experience if you need a processor or not.

There are many people who are fine with a few pedals, after settling for a main amp testing your gt001 would be great. In time if you find yourself only using 1-2 fx then going the pedal route would make more sense.

And yeah this place is great for suggestions, what better is giving tone examples from albums like you usually do. That would help the members a lot.

I'll only add its usually better to aim for a good clean/low drive character than distortion on an amp. Pedals can cover any distortion these days when needed but they struggle shape/transforming on cleaner stuff.

As for the hotbird yeah the explanation makes sense to me biggrin.gif basically, you can use it when hitting a dirty amp for soloing-it will give the guitar more focus.


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If anyone wants to follow the "sub-thread" about the amp, check it out HERE. Once we're sorted on the amp, and as long as Mertay is willing and able, we will be fine tuning recording issues with a mic, and maybe with the emulated out.
Let's hope Mertay hasn't pulled all of his hair out yet and is ok for this, I won't blame him at all if he says "Phil, I've had enough, I can't take it anymore aaaaaarrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh wacko.gif wacko.gif wacko.gif wacko.gif"

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1x12 vintage cab has arrived wink.gif


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