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post Jan 7 2016, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 7 2016, 01:13 PM) *
1x12 vintage cab has arrived wink.gif


Cool! why not mic. it and try with Vox until peavey arrives? smile.gif


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post Jan 7 2016, 03:49 PM
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I will this evening, I'm at work at the moment, I had it delivered to work smile.gif

Anything in particular you want to hear from the Vox or Blackstar with or without Hotbird? Also pick a guitar if you want smile.gif

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post Jan 7 2016, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 7 2016, 02:49 PM) *
I will this evening, I'm at work at the moment, I had it delivered to work smile.gif

Anything in particular you want to hear from the Vox or Blackstar with or without Hotbird? Also pick a guitar if you want smile.gif

Cheers smile.gif


Lets try the thick channel on the Vox (the settings I liked earlyer in this topic) with/without the pedal.

I mainly would like to listen to see if we can nail the mic. position before the Peavey arrives so by then we'll only test the amp and not the other stuff in the chain.

Where was that thomann video we listened the cab. I forgot smile.gif check that vid. to see where they placed the mic. it might help (if it was an sm57 they used)


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Thanks,

I don't think you get to see the mic, I'll check it later, I've put it here for reference smile.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZFNILSjBZs


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post Jan 7 2016, 05:34 PM
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Ah yeah seems its behind his leg, we can't cheat smile.gif


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post Jan 7 2016, 09:39 PM
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congrats on your new rig!! smile.gif That head with a 1x12 and that pedal you have can pretty much do anything so you are pretty much set smile.gif Get ready to have better sounding recordings as well. smile.gif


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 7 2016, 09:49 AM) *
I will this evening, I'm at work at the moment, I had it delivered to work smile.gif

Anything in particular you want to hear from the Vox or Blackstar with or without Hotbird? Also pick a guitar if you want smile.gif

Cheers smile.gif


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post Jan 7 2016, 10:14 PM
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Thanks Todd,

Ok, first setup recordings. I can't get the recording to sound a thick and bassy as the actual cab at the moment, also, I can hear my pick hitting the strings actually from the guitar not the cab in the recording so I need to make a few changes. The mic was 1 inch from cone edge, perpendicular to grille nearly touching grille cloth.

First riff on bridge pup second on neck. Gain full, thick channel.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vox-thick-full-gain-v30

Hotbird: Vol 12 o clock, tone 12 o clock, modern setting, amber clipping. Vox gain 9 o clock.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vox-thick-gain9-o-clock-with-hotbird-v30

Cheers gentlemen. smile.gif

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Sounded pretty thick to me? in a good way. The mic. position seems fine, though I don't know the eq settings.

Already a very usable sound imho, for solo could be a touch brighter ever. Feel free to make the changes and post again, if the vox eq's aren't flat share a photo just incase I miss anything.

With the pedal the sound was too crushed, probably either the pedals output or the amp was driven too much. Not important though, probably after nailing some sound from the Peavy alone then we'll make some adjustments anyway for the pedal (with ach amp the pedal would need some adjustment)


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Thanks Mertay,
In the thick channel of the Vox the bass and treble controls are completely bypassed.
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We couldn't get into the fuzz-side of the pedal much though did share sounds/ideas. This is a nice vid. about fuzz pedals, all sound different but might help on usage;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBRXBLwuxfY




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Thanks Mertay,
Very interesting smile.gif
I don't think it's worth messing with the pedal just yet as we will have to start again with the Peavey wink.gif

Here are a couple of recordings with the Blackstar, mic position exactly the same as with the Vox.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/blackstar-crunch-v30

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/blackstar-full-gain-v30

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Remember our talk about "room tone" ? If you have any other method of recording, even the mic on a video camera, you can leave it in the room several feet back from the cab to pickup up some "room tone" and mix this with the Mic tone. It will bring some of the bass you are hearing in the room back in to "the box" (the computer).
Also, the further you move the mic from the center of the cone and towards the edge of the 1x12 speaker, the more bass you will get smile.gif

Also, the way to avoid pick/string noise is to (ideally ) have the cab/mic in it's own recording/space/room and if that's not possible, then recording at higher volume will do the trick, one or the other is often required until this wonderful invention was unleashed on the world!!

http://www.seelectronics.com/guitarf/
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it can isolate the cab without having to buy an isolation cab and isolate vocals or what not. smile.gif


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Thanks Todd,

Ok, first setup recordings. I can't get the recording to sound a thick and bassy as the actual cab at the moment, also, I can hear my pick hitting the strings actually from the guitar not the cab in the recording so I need to make a few changes. The mic was 1 inch from cone edge, perpendicular to grille nearly touching grille cloth.

First riff on bridge pup second on neck. Gain full, thick channel.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vox-thick-full-gain-v30

Hotbird: Vol 12 o clock, tone 12 o clock, modern setting, amber clipping. Vox gain 9 o clock.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/vox-thick-gain9-o-clock-with-hotbird-v30

Cheers gentlemen. smile.gif



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post Jan 9 2016, 07:57 AM
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Nice!

Thats a pretty sweet sound you got there! loving the depth feeling smile.gif great for recording backing guitars or playing solo's for classic rock/blues sort of vibe while the blackstar had a more in-your-face thing going on suited for modern solo/stronger distortion stuff.

How would you compare them in the room? I imagine you'll want to switch between them in the future for gettings sound variations in a recording, that cab. is a good buy smile.gif


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post Jan 9 2016, 10:55 AM
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Thanks Todd and Mertay smile.gif

The mic is about an inch from the edge of the cone nearly touching the cloth.

That isolator thing is just like what I had in mind to make using a a slice out of a plastic oil drum and some foam wink.gif

I guess ultimately, and I'm chuckling to myself because I'm not exactly a recording artist laugh.gif I just love this side of things, I'd like an interface that can record two mics and a dry signal at once. But that's down the line. I see a lot of cab demo videos where there is an SM57 and another mic being used next to each other. I'm guessing the other mic is a condenser unsure.gif

In the room the cab sounds bigger, more open, looser, is hard to explain.

Yes Mertay, a great buy for less than £100, well put together too, things like the piping around the grille cloth are a little uneven but when you consider the whole thing for the price of the cone is a great buy smile.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 9 2016, 09:55 AM) *
That isolator thing is just like what I had in mind to make using a a slice out of a plastic oil drum and some foam wink.gif


That would work fine smile.gif SE electronics makes the best of those products but for your needs yeah I'd also go DIY.

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 9 2016, 09:55 AM) *
I guess ultimately, and I'm chuckling to myself because I'm not exactly a recording artist laugh.gif I just love this side of things, I'd like an interface that can record two mics and a dry signal at once. But that's down the line. I see a lot of cab demo videos where there is an SM57 and another mic being used next to each other. I'm guessing the other mic is a condenser unsure.gif

In the room the cab sounds bigger, more open, looser, is hard to explain.

Yes Mertay, a great buy for less than £100, well put together too, things like the piping around the grille cloth are a little uneven but when you consider the whole thing for the price of the cone is a great buy smile.gif

Cheers


With a 2 input soundcard you can use 2 mic.s or 1 mic. and direct guitar (would need a splitter too though). Thing is when 2 mic.s and direct then soundcards are usually 4 input (not remembering any 3 input soundcards) and that makes things a bit more expensive.

The mic.s type doesn't matter if used on same cab., the important thing is its character must be different compared to the sm57. Mixing cab.s or mic.s is fun, that how its done in a studio but its good not to get into that for now not because of budget stuff reasons but we'll have to try get the best solo sound from 1 mic. anyway.

Just remembered the Peavey had USB cab. emulated output, we might blend that with mic.ed sound if possible rolleyes.gif

I'm going to recommend that cab. in a local forum where blues guys dominate, I bet they'll like smile.gif


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I'd be interested to hear what others think of the cab Mertay.
I can only record one input at one time so I wouldn't be able to record the xlr out of the Peavey, there may be a way to record from the USB out though.

When the time is right, how about THIS? Currently available for just over £200.

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 9 2016, 04:34 PM) *
When the time is right, how about THIS? Currently available for just over £200.


The interface seems fine but I really don't trust firewire as its abandoned, my last soundcard worked 10 years for me and in that time period if one wants to re-new their computer firewire might be a problem. USB seems very secure for future.


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Yeah but it's only FireWire compatible not exclusively FireWire wink.gif


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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 9 2016, 04:54 PM) *
Yeah but it's only FireWire compatible not exclusively FireWire wink.gif


I'm not sure what you mean?


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Sorry, what I meant was you don't HAVE to use FireWire but it is compatible with FireWire but you can use usb. BUT I've since found out there is no USB only FireWire and ADAT so that unit is not for me anyway rolleyes.gif

That's the kind of thing I will have eventually and another mic.

Sorry for the confusion mate wink.gif


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