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post Nov 21 2015, 09:40 PM
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Hello everyone,

Just a bit of fun really but I also think it will help to inspire myself and others if some of the better players here can make something out of a lower level player's rhythm track. You might have some relaxing fun too wink.gif
This little rhythm is called "Nora's Walk", it is inspired by Nora Batty, the battle axe from a British comedy series called Last Of The Summer Wine. I imagined her walking down the street, broom in hand, ready to hit someone with it. (Picture below smile.gif)

Attached File  Nora_s_Walk.mp3 ( 1.61MB ) Number of downloads: 75

Attached File  Nora_s_Walk_guitar_only.mp3 ( 1.61MB ) Number of downloads: 58

E||--------------------------|-----------------------------------|
B||--------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G||--------------------------|-----------------------------------|
D||--7-----7--7-----5-----7--|--7-----7--7-----5-----7--5--7-----|
A||--7-----7--7-----5-----7--|--7-----7--7-----5-----7-----------|
E||--------------------------|-----------------------------------|

b
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-----7-----7--7-----5-----7--|--7-----7--7-----5-----7--5--7-----|
-----7-----7--7-----5-----7--|--7-----7--7-----5-----7-----------|
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https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/noras-walk


Here she is



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post Nov 23 2015, 03:24 PM
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Hi Phil! I think that I've heard this tune before, it's a cool rhythm. Are you thinking on continuing the idea?


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Thanks Gab,

Yes you have heard it before. I was thinking of adding to the mini collab but I was waiting for some ideas from others for inspiration. It seems like there isn't much interest though so maybe it's not such a good idea. I was hoping it might encourage others to post simple rhythms to see what people can do with them. All in the name of inspiration and encouragement really wink.gif

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Anybody come up with anything? I'd love to hear it wink.gif


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Hello Gab,

Please don't do it for me but can you guide me on how to work out what scale I would use over this please?

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Ok, so first two steps are:

1. Which are the chords played?
2. What's the root?


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Chords are E an D
I'm assuming the root is E as that's the first chord used but I'm unsure huh.gif Could the root be something other than the root of first chord played?
I've deliberately not looked on the www because I want to work it out.
Should I now work out the other notes and find a scale with those notes in?

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I don't hear any E or D chord in this riff... E chord is formed by E G# B. I think that the first chord is A5 and the second is G5, both in its inverted versions.

and if I write all the notes used in this here I have:



If I complete this idea with octaves of the notes used I have:



Bingo! We have A minor pentatonic so you already have the scale that you can use for improvising.





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Thanks Gab,

Now I'm confused.
E||--------------------------|-----------------------------------|
B||--------------------------|-----------------------------------|
G||--------------------------|-----------------------------------|
D||--7-----7--7-----5-----7--|--7-----7--7-----5-----7--5--7-----|
A||--7-----7--7-----5-----7--|--7-----7--7-----5-----7-----------|
E||--------------------------|-----------------------------------|


I took 7th fret A string (E) as being the root of those first three chords, and 5th fret A string (D) as the root of the others. I guess I have a lot to learn with how chords are created.

Cheers Gab, Thanks for your help mate smile.gif


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It's simpler than you think.

Chords are build with a succession of thirds, if you take 3 you have a triad, if you take 4 you have a chord with seventh and if you continue adding thirds you get extended chords.

In order to make this practical, it's good to learn by memory the circle of thirds:

E G B D F A C


If you know this, every time you have a chord you should find 2/3 or 4 notes of this circle put together.

Then, if you want to make this more practical, you have to remember what quality of chord you have by taking the thirds from this circle. Let's take only triads:

E G B: Em
G B D: G major
B D F: B minor
D F A: D minor
F A C: F major
A C E: A minor
C E G: C major

Then, by using accidents (flat and sharp) you can get the other families of those, major, minor, augmented, diminished. But you'll always have 2, 3 or 4 different notes from the circle.

Let's analyze the first two notes that you have: E + A

Check from the circle which chord includes this two notes. The only one is A minor. However, E is root and A is the fifth, the in between (third) note isn't playing. That's why instead of calling it major or minor we call it E5. The third defines if the chord is major or minor.

(By chord and triad I refer to the same thing)


This can be a lot of info so take your time to analyze this and play everything in your guitar.


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post Jan 25 2016, 01:57 PM
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Thanks Gab
That's brilliant, I'm going to study it and make some double stops and see if I can work them out.
Will you check them for me?
No rush on this one, need to absorb it wink.gif
Thank you so much for this comprehensive answer smile.gif


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Sure! Take your time and let me know when you need me to check your status.


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Hello Gab,
I haven't forgotten this, I'll be looking at it during my four day break. I found THIS which I hope will also help me to understand.
I'm surprised that 55 people have downloaded the rhythm track but nobody has posted a take. I'd love to hear someone's take over this. Maybe now it's been bumped back up someone might smile.gif
Maybe we could cover rhythm/chord construction in the theory workshop sometime. Maybe the assignment could be to come up with some simple rhythm like this one and we have to explain what we have played. I don't even know what key this is in, it it is one key or two. This is all useful stuff to know when we are creating our own music for collabs etc.
Cheers buddy smile.gif

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Surely this isn't so bad that nobody wants to have a go at a take?
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Come on folks, let's hear what you can do over this smile.gif


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post Mar 29 2016, 01:53 PM
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Hi Phil, that's a good idea for the theory thread, thanks!

A good way to be able to analyse chord progressions is getting into analysing songs. All you need to know in order to find the key and tonality of a song is to be able to identify the root, (this can be by ear) and then knowing about tonalities. A tonality is form by the chords you get by harmonizing in thirds the notes from a scale. Every scale can build a tonality and the most common are obviously major and minor. However, all other modes gives as different tonalities.



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Thanks Gab,

It seems a bit complicated for me at the moment. Looking forward to slowly covering it in the theory workshop. I think it would be good for a beginner level student to just make something up on the fly with a simple beat or even a metronome without thinking about it or composing it and then to have to analyse it for there self to see if they can work out the key, the chords, which scales/s could be used for soloing etc.

Cheers friend.

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