Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Harder To Descend Than Ascend?, Speed picking practice
post Nov 25 2015, 04:25 AM
Post #1

Learning Roadie

Group: Members
Posts: 4.512
Joined: 9-March 10
From: United States, Arkansas
Member No.: 9.801

Do you ever find it harder for you to descend a scale in speed picking than ascending?
I have a fast run in a guitar solo for my song, it's really getting me. The first part is descending. I can do the second part a lot quicker when I ascend. Trying to get it at full speed and clean. I set up a loop to play over and over but i get fatigued and start "tripping" over myself.

It's basically 16th notes over 141 bpm is the goal. wink.gif

Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
post Nov 25 2015, 07:06 AM
Post #2

Learning Tone Master

Group: Members
Posts: 848
Joined: 31-December 10
From: Sweden
Member No.: 11.929


I do have a similar problem.

When alternate picking, there are basically four ways of crossing strings (without considering string skipping, which is of course another story).
Two inside crossings and two outside crossings. For me, outside is what causes the slow-down/stumbling/tripping, and I have noticed that crossing outside from e.g. B string to G string is even worse than the other way. I guess this may well be the key reason to why descending licks seem harder than the corresponding ascending ones. [Notice also how Yngwie tends to pick differently when descending compared to ascending.]

Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Kristofer Dahl
post Nov 25 2015, 08:54 AM
Post #3

GMC Founder & Rocker
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 15.815
Joined: 15-August 05
From: Stockholm, Sweden
Member No.: 2

Interesting topic!

I find it harder to ascend - this is is probably because I rely on legato when picking. Sounds weird I know, but if I can't play a lick with legato I won't be able to make it sound the way I want with picking.

When ascending, you typically cross stings with the index finger. And doing a hammer-on from nowhere (=legato) with the index is tricky.

Not sure I managed to explain this very well though ph34r.gif

Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
post Nov 25 2015, 09:29 AM
Post #4

Learning Roadie

Group: Members
Posts: 2.612
Joined: 26-October 11
From: Galway, Ireland
Member No.: 14.225

I'm in this camp and blame my pinky. I also find it easier to ascend with legato than to descend so Kris maybe onto something!!!!

My SoundCloud

PosterBoy's Bootcamp with Todd

Ibanez Rg770FM
Tyler Burning Water 2K
Burny RLG90 with BK Emeralds
Fender US Tele with BK Piledrivers
Epiphone 335
Axe Fx Ultra - GCP Pro
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
post Nov 25 2015, 09:45 AM
Post #5

Learning Roadie

Group: Members
Posts: 1.905
Joined: 10-March 15
From: France, provence, vaucluse, carpentras
Member No.: 20.796

descending is easer for me in some case , and ascending in other




Yes, i love badges.....
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Gabriel Leopardi
post Nov 25 2015, 02:45 PM
Post #6

Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 31.318
Joined: 3-March 07
From: Argentina
Member No.: 1.289

I think that there is no difference between both, and that it's more related to what we play / practice more. In other words, it's totally related to what we are more familiar. I think that the element that makes some AP phrases or passages more difficult than others is related to Hungry For Heaven's post. The different ways of crossing strings, and the different quantity of notes that you play on each string.

This are 5 possible patterns that we can find when crossing strings with alternate picking. Try each ascending and descending on the scale and identity where you have more problems. Then, that's what you need to practice to avoid limitations.


My lessons

Do you need a Guitar Plan?
Join Gab's Army

Check my band:Cirse
Check my soundcloud:Soundcloud

Please subscribe to my:Youtube Channel
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Fast ReplyReply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:


RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 19th October 2018 - 11:45 AM