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Francis Viviers
post Jul 24 2007, 08:10 AM
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Hi

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Basicly im looking for a new all valve combo amp, that can go from nice clean to heavy distortion. I don't want to use any pedals to make the sound useable. . Unfortunately mesa, bogner, engl etc is unavailable here so i really need some help.

Whats your guys ratings and ideas ?
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post Jul 24 2007, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (Francis Viviers @ Jul 24 2007, 09:10 AM) *
Hi

Im moving my post here. Old post.

Basicly im looking for a new all valve combo amp, that can go from nice clean to heavy distortion. I don't want to use any pedals to make the sound useable. . Unfortunately mesa, bogner, engl etc is unavailable here so i really need some help.

Whats your guys ratings and ideas ?

Check out Hughes & Kettner then, the Switchblade 50W combo. It's a lot of fun, plenty of knobs biggrin.gif , built in effects and a MIDI board for switching between pre programmed sounds. And it's all tube spite the built in effects.
Great cleans up to distortion-heaven&hell. British or American, you choose.
Sound good on bedroom volume too.


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post Jul 24 2007, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 24 2007, 12:04 PM) *
Check out Hughes & Kettner then, the Switchblade 50W combo. It's a lot of fun, plenty of knobs biggrin.gif , built in effects and a MIDI board for switching between pre programmed sounds. And it's all tube spite the built in effects.
Great cleans up to distortion-heaven&hell. British or American, you choose.
Sound good on bedroom volume too.


Had my eye on it yeah, but i dont like built in effects sad.gif

QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 24 2007, 12:04 PM) *
Check out Hughes & Kettner then, the Switchblade 50W combo. It's a lot of fun, plenty of knobs biggrin.gif , built in effects and a MIDI board for switching between pre programmed sounds. And it's all tube spite the built in effects.
Great cleans up to distortion-heaven&hell. British or American, you choose.
Sound good on bedroom volume too.


How do you guys rate B52 ?
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post Jul 24 2007, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (Francis Viviers @ Jul 24 2007, 12:19 PM) *
Had my eye on it yeah, but i dont like built in effects sad.gif

Don't get fooled by that. It's an ALL tube amp. They are not added to the signal chain digitally but analog. And they don't affect the tube sound in any way. And you don't need to use the effects if you don't like, just turn the knob to 0.
I think you're doing yourself an unfavor by calling it off just because of built in effects, that you don't even have to use. The amp, without the effects is SUPER! The built in effects is a cool spice and after all, if you want chorus, tremolo, flanger or delay you'd be forced to connect an external effect pedal anyway. Right? An external pedal in the loop which would affect the sound while the built in doesn't. And if you don't need em, just don't turn them on. It's as simple as that.
It's not the first time I see this, I will call it misunderstanding, about the built in effects. If you get a chanse, try it!
I was also sceptical about this at first but now I'm sold. It's a great thing and I think we'll see more and more of it also with other brands in the near future.

QUOTE (Francis Viviers @ Jul 24 2007, 12:19 PM) *
How do you guys rate B52 ?

It's not available in Sweden and where I've seen it in europe it's too expensive compared to the price is the US where it's acceptable.
I don't know much about it either. Some say it's a great Mesa clone, others say it's got quality issues.

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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 24 2007, 12:41 PM) *
Don't get fooled by that. It's an ALL tube amp. They are not added to the signal chain digitally but analog. And they don't affect the tube sound in any way. And you don't need to use the effects if you don't like, just turn the knob to 0.
I think you're doing yourself an unfavor by calling it off just because of built in effects, that you don't even have to use. The amp, without the effects is SUPER! The built in effects is a cool spice and after all, if you want chorus, tremolo, flanger or delay you'd be forced to connect an external effect pedal anyway. Right? An external pedal in the loop which would affect the sound while the built in doesn't. And if you don't need em, just don't turn them on. It's as simple as that.
It's not the first time I see this, I will call it misunderstanding, about the built in effects. If you get a chanse, try it!
I was also sceptical about this at first but now I'm sold. It's a great thing and I think we'll see more and more of it also with other brands in the near future.
It's not available in Sweden and where I've seen it in europe it's too expensive compared to the price is the US where it's acceptable.
I don't know much about it either. Some say it's a great Mesa clone, others say it's got quality issues.


Thanks. Im going to my music shop for lunch, they have the head there and i want to try it!
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 24 2007, 12:41 PM) *
Don't get fooled by that. It's an ALL tube amp. They are not added to the signal chain digitally but analog. And they don't affect the tube sound in any way. And you don't need to use the effects if you don't like, just turn the knob to 0.
I think you're doing yourself an unfavor by calling it off just because of built in effects, that you don't even have to use. The amp, without the effects is SUPER! The built in effects is a cool spice and after all, if you want chorus, tremolo, flanger or delay you'd be forced to connect an external effect pedal anyway. Right? An external pedal in the loop which would affect the sound while the built in doesn't. And if you don't need em, just don't turn them on. It's as simple as that.
It's not the first time I see this, I will call it misunderstanding, about the built in effects. If you get a chanse, try it!
I was also sceptical about this at first but now I'm sold. It's a great thing and I think we'll see more and more of it also with other brands in the near future.
It's not available in Sweden and where I've seen it in europe it's too expensive compared to the price is the US where it's acceptable.
I don't know much about it either. Some say it's a great Mesa clone, others say it's got quality issues.


Hmm okay i tried it. Crank the volume and it blows your MIND !
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MickeM, how does the H&K sound compare to the other amps we discussed in my pedalboard thread?


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QUOTE (Francis Viviers @ Jul 24 2007, 02:52 PM) *
Hmm okay i tried it. Crank the volume and it blows your MIND !

I'm glad you tried it out smile.gif


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 24 2007, 03:35 PM) *
MickeM, how does the H&K sound compare to the other amps we discussed in my pedalboard thread?

How do one reply to a question like that? huh.gif There are unique sounds like "a Marshall sound" or "Fender clean" or a Mesa sound. You can't tweak a Mesa to sound like a Marshall, or a Marshall to sound like a Fender etc etc.
Without having made any side by side comparences so take this for what it is, a plain guess, but I've tweaked in a crunch sound on my Switchblade that I belive can be mistaken for a Marshall. I've tweaked in an American modern hi gain setting sounding Mesa like (with EL34's of course since that's what I have). The cleans are IMO great, beaten by Fender but still great.

What H&K miss is that classical thing, noone can say "Hey, that sounds like a Hughes and Kettner", like one can say about Marshall and Fender. It's not an amp with a distinctive, recognisable benchmark sound. It's just a darn good amp that does all of the above and it does it extremely good.

Modern clean
British crunch
British hi-gain
American hi-gain

Besides Gain there is the Gain boost (gain knob at max) which will add the "right" frequencies depending on the channel you're on.
Helpful wnen you want gain a bit over the top biggrin.gif

EDIT: "You can't tweak a Mesa to sound like a Marshall, or a Marshall to sound like a Fender etc etc."
Excuse my ignorance. The Stiletto has EL34's and may well be able to do Marshall sound, british for sure. I have to say I just don't know but after reading up I know one thing, I should check this amp up a bit more.

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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jul 24 2007, 10:41 AM) *
How do one reply to a question like that?


Well you did a pretty good job, thanks!


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 24 2007, 04:59 PM) *
Well you did a pretty good job, thanks!

Oh, I should have removed that first statement. smile.gif
Be sure to read my edit on the Mesa

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EDIT: "You can't tweak a Mesa to sound like a Marshall, or a Marshall to sound like a Fender etc etc."
Excuse my ignorance. The Stiletto has EL34's and may well be able to do Marshall sound, british for sure. I have to say I just don't know but after reading up I know one thing, I should check this amp up a bit more.


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Francis

- think you asked about B52s in the other thread? Not played one but they do seem to get good feedback/user reports and the like. To the best of my knowledge its a US brand of tube amps, I think inspired by Mesa but can't vouch for that.

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To be honest... I just recently went and got a Fender amp. The cleans are to die for and with a high-quality Overdrive pedal like the Ibanez Tubescreamer ts808 reissue you can get uncolored distortion on demand. Wish I could afford the pedal right now lol.

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QUOTE (Hardtail @ Jul 25 2007, 06:41 AM) *
To be honest... I just recently went and got a Fender amp. The cleans are to die for and with a high-quality Overdrive pedal like the Ibanez Tubescreamer ts808 reissue you can get uncolored distortion on demand. Wish I could afford the pedal right now lol.

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No doubt that fender cleans are the best, i want something high gain tho. Im sick of millions of overdrive and distortion pedals. Ill rather have wah, compressor, delay etc for pedals and not distortions.
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