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post Dec 27 2015, 03:01 PM
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When will we understand, this is in England, Not Syria


this was in 2012

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post Dec 27 2015, 03:33 PM
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Scary indeed - but I am not sure what this videos proves?

Surely we can find many more videos where native British people behave like assholes.


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post Dec 27 2015, 03:49 PM
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That was part of an hour long documentary. Stacey also visits mosques in the programme where the Muslims are condemning this kind of extremism.
The clip isn't really representative of the fairly balanced documentary that Stacey always produces.


The full and very interesting documentary is below. Worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps


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post Dec 27 2015, 06:11 PM
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Yesterday I was standing in line waiting for Eggs Benedict with two Muslim girls in full head scarf regalia. They were messaging their friends on their iphones and talking about boys.


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post Dec 27 2015, 06:51 PM
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Euro people are too much tolerant, we cannot acceptes theses behaviours....

this is provocation, and the appology of a criminal organisation.

i'll not enter in a political debate, it's not the right place, but my guns are loaded

Laurent

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post Dec 27 2015, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Dec 27 2015, 03:33 PM) *
Scary indeed - but I am not sure what this videos proves?

Surely we can find many more videos where native British people behave like assholes.


it has been said , All evil needs is for good men to do nothing
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post Dec 27 2015, 11:00 PM
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You know I live in Sweden right?

If this info was correct half of the women I know would have been raped...? Yet I have not heard about a single one?

It's important to understand there is a propaganda war being fought. It is not hard to understand why so many rumours about immigrants are circulating currently.


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post Dec 27 2015, 11:11 PM
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Everyone; go and watch the full documentary in my previous post. wink.gif


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post Dec 27 2015, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 27 2015, 11:11 PM) *
Everyone; go and watch the full documentary in my previous post. wink.gif

I did, did not here one muslim who would give any of their ground to meet in the middle . If you see something I over looked feel free to give me the time stamp. If they won't meet in the middle , what then does that mean ?

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You know I live in Sweden right?

If this info was correct half of the women I know would have been raped...? Yet I have not heard about a single one?

It's important to understand there is a propaganda war being fought. It is not hard to understand why so many rumours about immigrants are circulating currently.

I understand this and can concead some of what was said. I think it is now important to draw a line int he sand , other wise if there is no line you will not be able to mark progress. What would need to transpire that would make you take notice

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post Dec 28 2015, 12:24 AM
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Who trained & funded ISIS?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...isis-syria-iraq

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post Dec 28 2015, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (Arpeggio @ Dec 28 2015, 01:24 AM) *
Who trained & funded ISIS?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...isis-syria-iraq

The first victim of war is always the truth.


Yes it is really sad to see some people don't learn from gigantic historic mistakes. sad.gif

As usual the little guys - ie the people who just want their kids to grow and be happy - suffer the most. I am very proud Sweden has been able to receive and help a big number of refugees. I cannot think of a better way to use the welfare in the richer part of the world. Other suggested methods are just hypocrisy.


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post Dec 28 2015, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 27 2015, 10:35 PM) *
I did, did not here one muslim who would give any of their ground to meet in the middle . If you see something I over looked feel free to give me the time stamp. If they won't meet in the middle , what then does that mean ?


I'm not sure what you mean but from 25:20 is interesting to hear Muslims saying that the radicals aren't following the religion, they say Islam is peaceful.


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post Dec 28 2015, 05:47 PM
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why so many rumours about immigrants are circulating currently.


Talk with People from Calais, they live in hell everyday, i have video from friend who lives in, and immigrant are broking everything, your cars, your garden fence, they do injury many people....

sur some people are drawing a worst story, but foundations are truth, saddly

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post Dec 28 2015, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE (fzalfa @ Dec 28 2015, 06:47 PM) *
Talk with People from Calais, they live in hell everyday, i have video from friend who lives in, and immigrant are broking everything, your cars, your garden fence, they do injury many people....


I don't doubt it - take any nationality (Syrian, British, Mongolian, Swedish etc) - segregate people and give them tough conditions, and you will see hate and violence sooner or later. We've seen it happen all over the world countless of times.

However this does not relate to helping innocent families running for their lives.

Also one should be very careful about attributing general characteristics to a culture or nationality. We have done it in the past, and it has resulted in horrible and meaningless tragedies. We're all humans belonging to the same species, and we're more or less the result of our environment.


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post Dec 28 2015, 10:47 PM
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right

but a lots of these people aren't familly, it's in a large majority young people able to fight for theire familly in their country, they arrive here in europe, and firts od all they ask for a plug to charging their Iphone.

it's the truth, what else ?

these aren"t people like the canbodian and asian refugee whe had in france during 70'

these people are in, in a large majority to use our generous system.

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post Dec 28 2015, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (fzalfa @ Dec 28 2015, 11:47 PM) *
right

but a lots of these people aren't familly, it's in a large majority young people able to fight for theire familly in their country, they arrive here in europe, and firts od all they ask for a plug to charging their Iphone.

it's the truth, what else ?

these aren"t people like the canbodian and asian refugee whe had in france during 70'

these people are in, in a large majority to use our generous system.

Laurent


I am not really sensing your generosity though wink.gif


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post Dec 28 2015, 10:54 PM
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I am not really sensing your generosity though wink.gif


believe me, i'am and i'am tired too

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post Dec 28 2015, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE (fzalfa @ Dec 28 2015, 11:54 PM) *
believe me, i'am and i'am tired too

Laurent


Ok if you're feeling tired, I would add a couple of years of bombing, a couple months of rape and torture, and then some weeks of fleeing under worse imaginable conditions where you loose half of your family.

Let me know if you need a hand?


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post Dec 28 2015, 11:18 PM
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I would add a couple of years of bombing


this i know, i have spend 30 month under the war, living bombed at sarajevo airport , refill choper under the cross fires from serbes and croates, been injuried 2 times , one time by bullet, another by bomb blast......

i know the fear to patrol in the town's street while sniper choose their target and fire your nearby friend.....

i know the sight of that people when you came to bring them food and stuff, some say thanks, and some insult you.

i know to fact to be prisoner from some a these people during 4 days, i know execution simulacre and interogatoirs with intimidations...

i know how to get cadaver from hole inthe ground, have dig a lot to kep them to be identified etc.... woman, childs etc....

so yes i know what some people are able to do, and some of these one are enterring here.

So , i have my experience Kris, your have your.

let's talk about guitar please biggrin.gif

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post Dec 28 2015, 11:29 PM
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QUOTE (fzalfa @ Dec 29 2015, 12:18 AM) *
so yes i know what some people are able to do, and some of these one are enterring here.

I agree and understand - these kind of people should not exist in the first place, but since they do they should be kept away far from civilisation. But that is a different story.

Kinda like speaking about digital aliasing when all you wanted was to improve your bending ph34r.gif


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