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post Feb 21 2016, 10:01 PM
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Thanks Gab,

So connect the first one of each triad, ie C number one and F number one? C number 2 and F number 2? etc??

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post Feb 23 2016, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Feb 21 2016, 06:01 PM) *
Thanks Gab,

So connect the first one of each triad, ie C number one and F number one? C number 2 and F number 2? etc??

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Every combination possible will help to see the fret-board clearer. You can work along the fret-board and you can also work on each part of the neck. The idea is to be able to visualize both triads (C & F) everywhere and combine them.


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post Feb 23 2016, 03:05 PM
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What helped me a lot to remember these triad shapes was that I think of the chord behind it!
So I can find these triads easily and fast and just look for the notes F and C on the string the chord (E barre or A barre or D) belongs to.

But making a solo with such a few notes is challanging - so I still working on it and will have something in the next days.

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post Feb 23 2016, 03:49 PM
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Thanks Gab and Tom, I am persevering, it's just quite a big jump from the last assignment and I was out of the country for the first week so am behind, then I had the understanding what to do issue.

It's all good though, all part of the never ending journey smile.gif

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post Feb 23 2016, 07:34 PM
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So I now know where the triads are. But I had to realize how few notes are available for improvising...and then the fast backing track. Its really beyond me. So I tried to make another rhythm line. sad.gif


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post Feb 24 2016, 09:31 AM
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Great idea Tom, IMHO.
I'm struggling to remember the triads so I'm going to play the whole barre chords just to see if that helps, maybe it will, maybe it won't, need to try something to get them in my head and hopefully playing conventional barre chords will help me to remember the associated triads.
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post Feb 25 2016, 03:00 PM
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Great discussin here guys. It's really helpful for this workout that you share your experience with the assignments and how you deal with the problems that appear. Please keep´the comments coming.


QUOTE (Tom51 @ Feb 23 2016, 03:34 PM) *
So I now know where the triads are. But I had to realize how few notes are available for improvising...and then the fast backing track. Its really beyond me. So I tried to make another rhythm line. sad.gif


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This sounds good mate, keep on experimenting and gradually add some faster rhythms...


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Hello folks,

I may sound like a bit of a hypocrite here but I've had a holiday and many problems since the start of this second assignment so please stick with me.

I think we shouldn't focus on the deadline as the time when we submit our takes. We should see the deadline more as a "New assignment day". We should all, where possible, discuss our problems and methods of tackling them with each other as a group session. We should all submit takes often and discuss between ourselves, learning from each other's experiences. This is why this course has a long deadline, so that we can all extract as much as possible from it without taking too much of our other practice time away. So even a couple of bars would be good, and I'm sure Gab will be on hand to offer guidance and advice during the long period between deadlines.

Think of it as time spent to develop your understanding of music rather than just creating a single piece of music, by playing and submitting a few takes whether partial or in full will be help and encouragement for you and other students. The assignment is four weeks of gentle study, not to wait until a week before and cram it all in.

Any ideas on what kind of direction this new style of workshop should go will also help Gab and Kris assess its effectiveness and modify it where they see fit.

So what do you say? Shall we pick this thread up by the weekend and get it rockin?

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post Mar 3 2016, 01:25 PM
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Hi Phil! Thanks for your message!

I totally agree with you. This workout is a place where every body is invited to share his questions and takes based on the assignments. Each person and each guitarists has its own time so deadlines are only as reference and as Phil correctly said, "new assignment" day.

The topics covered here are all related and at the same time each one is infinite. There is no end for creation, there is always a new combination of elements that can become a new phrase or piece of music. You can get back to any assignment always at any time, and re-create it, find a new way of apply it, work or develop it.

Today I've read a very cool quote from Wayne Krantz totally related to this:

"There is no end to the development of a musician with an active imagination ‘the guitar’ glorifies an object. The instrument itself is of passing importance. What we do with it is the thing of meaning music is a thing of meaning."


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post Mar 3 2016, 10:09 PM
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OK folks,

I need some help here please. I'm late coming into this one as I said in my previous post so I need help catching up. I'm struggling to remember all of the triads so I've learned the first one of C and F.
I'm also finding it difficult to listen to the pretty quick backing track and come up with ideas with so few notes, it's good to only have a few notes though, makes you really think.

For those in a similar position, ie: struggling with the backing here's what I've done. I exported the GP5 file as a .wav and put that into my DAW. It's infinitely more simple than the proper backing and you have a visual reference too, you'll get what I mean if you try it.

Anyway, here is one of my signature "nursery rhyme" toons just over the GP5 backing.I didn't fade the end out rolleyes.gif but this isn't a recording & mixing workshop so I left it due to time. Give it a try and see how you get on. Don't forget to let us know what you think and if you have any ideas please tell us smile.gif

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post Mar 4 2016, 07:40 PM
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Hi Phil, thanks for your take here.

I notice that you are working on this task correctly. I know that it can be tricky to visualize all the triads by once, so I think that the best would be to work on small parts of the fret board. You can divide first octave of the fretboard (from open string to fret 12) in 3 parts and work on 1 part each day. After 3 days you can get back to part 1 start connecting with the others. This task requires diary practice and patience but the results are really good, and will last for your whole life. smile.gif

Training our ear and learning the fret board are two of the most important things for guitarists.


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OK,

I've explored the next triad of each. I've used the same exported GP5 file. If anyone wants this backing as a WAV to put in their DAW just ask and I'll send it to you, I can make it as long as you want. I currently have a 10 minute version biggrin.gif

I've incorporated the first two triads of C and F. This seems to be the best way for me to learn them. I have them displayed on the screen as a quick reference if I get lost but it seems good. Once I have got them all down with the simple backing and nursery rhyme playing I'll progrees onto Gab's real backing and see if I can get some better licks.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/assignment-2-take-2

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Hey all! Still following, just extraordinarily busy as of late. I'm digging the pace we're moving at, steady is the way to go \m/ I'll see about recording something soon if I can. Got a lot of shows this month, so prep for them has been a bit consuming.


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Great to hear you're still with us mate smile.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 4 2016, 06:22 PM) *
OK,

I've explored the next triad of each. I've used the same exported GP5 file. If anyone wants this backing as a WAV to put in their DAW just ask and I'll send it to you, I can make it as long as you want. I currently have a 10 minute version biggrin.gif

I've incorporated the first two triads of C and F. This seems to be the best way for me to learn them. I have them displayed on the screen as a quick reference if I get lost but it seems good. Once I have got them all down with the simple backing and nursery rhyme playing I'll progrees onto Gab's real backing and see if I can get some better licks.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/assignment-2-take-2

This is like learning to walk again.





Well done Phil! Thanks for the backing and your new take. It seems that you are getting familiar with the different shapes. These requires patience but then you'll notice how much this helps to your phrasing. I think that it's time to try to create some more musical ideas using the shapes, what do you think?


QUOTE (GuitarsANDtattoos @ Mar 5 2016, 12:34 PM) *
Hey all! Still following, just extraordinarily busy as of late. I'm digging the pace we're moving at, steady is the way to go \m/ I'll see about recording something soon if I can. Got a lot of shows this month, so prep for them has been a bit consuming.



Hi mate, great to know that you are playing a lot but also that you are following this workout! I hope to hear some takes form you soon.


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Thanks Gab,

I've only got the first two shapes of each C and F, should I get more down or try to be more musical with what I have?

Everyone, I also have the simple backing available without metronome if you want it smile.gif

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Hi here

i have work a bit on the second backtrack, so this morning, i try to record this one shoot

this is my labour

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 6 2016, 03:09 PM) *
Thanks Gab,

I've only got the first two shapes of each C and F, should I get more down or try to be more musical with what I have?

Everyone, I also have the simple backing available without metronome if you want it smile.gif

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You can divide your time in two blocks:

1) practicing musical ideas.
2) learning new shapes.

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Mar 7 2016, 06:26 AM) *
Hi here

i have work a bit on the second backtrack, so this morning, i try to record this one shoot

this is my labour

https://soundcloud.com/laurent-377054242/test-assign-2

Laurent



Hi Laurent, this sounds VERY melodic and musical. I like your tone and your phrasing on this one. How was your approach used here?


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Still have a hard time to get something musical out with these few notes and the fast backing track. I am simply too slow.
But the good thing is...I got these triad shapes under my fingers now wink.gif

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QUOTE (Tom51 @ Mar 7 2016, 04:11 PM) *
Still have a hard time to get something musical out with these few notes and the fast backing track. I am simply too slow.
But the good thing is...I got these triad shapes under my fingers now wink.gif

Tom


We're in the same boat here Tom, I'm struggling with the fast backing and getting the shapes under my fingers, that's why I used the GP5 backing, it has the chords with a simple strumming pattern, I can send it to you if you don't have GP5 as i have converted to a .WAV with or without metronome.

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