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post Feb 16 2016, 01:06 AM
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Wondering about this? Not sure if this is the right part of the forum.

I see some of the videos on GMC move between different camera angles. Surely unless you have more than 1 camera you would need to record video again for the section that has a different angle over which you would "mime" to the original track?

Regardless though, with only one single camera angle all the way, if recording both vid and audio at the same time you would need to press record for both (for me the buttons for audio and the video aren't near to each other). Wouldn't it be less hassle to record the audio first, then record the video separately (while playing the audio to hear so you can synchronize your playing), then put the audio and video together afterwards in an editor?

This way if you don't like the way you play a note but the video is perfect, or if you play the audio perfect but you move off-shot slightly on the video without realizing (for example), then you don't have to record both video and audio again due to an error on only one? or is that a cop-out because you are not really "playing" on the video, but instead playing over your own playing? What do you do?! ohmy.gif


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post Feb 16 2016, 06:02 AM
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Great question! smile.gif You can do if a few ways.

1.)Have more than one camera recording during your performance and edit the footage together.

2.)Have one camera going and just repeat your performance and edit them together.

3.)Have someone who loves taking video shoot/edit for you smile.gif

You can record several takes of audio and video if you are using the one camera method and just cut together the audio and video bits that you liked best. You can transition between cameras to give the vid more pizazz smile.gif if you are playing the same thing each time on guitar, then you synch the videos all up in your editor by using a "synch pop" just clap your hands so you get an audio pop and you can see where the clap is on the vid.

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QUOTE (Arpeggio @ Feb 15 2016, 07:06 PM) *
Wondering about this? Not sure if this is the right part of the forum.

I see some of the videos on GMC move between different camera angles. Surely unless you have more than 1 camera you would need to record video again for the section that has a different angle over which you would "mime" to the original track?

Regardless though, with only one single camera angle all the way, if recording both vid and audio at the same time you would need to press record for both (for me the buttons for audio and the video aren't near to each other). Wouldn't it be less hassle to record the audio first, then record the video separately (while playing the audio to hear so you can synchronize your playing), then put the audio and video together afterwards in an editor?

This way if you don't like the way you play a note but the video is perfect, or if you play the audio perfect but you move off-shot slightly on the video without realizing (for example), then you don't have to record both video and audio again due to an error on only one? or is that a cop-out because you are not really "playing" on the video, but instead playing over your own playing? What do you do?! ohmy.gif


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post Feb 16 2016, 08:56 AM
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Really great Topic... smile.gif

I think beginners like me are not able to play a lesson 2 times exactly the same concerning the finger movements.
So when I first make the audio and afterwards the video and synchronize it, everybody can see that the finger movements
are not exactly that what you can here in the audio.

I don't know if I am right, but I think only professionals can make audio and video separate that the result afterwards looks like
that there are playing the guitar at the same moment when the video is done....

Todd, is it possible to train something like this?
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post Feb 16 2016, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 16 2016, 06:02 AM) *
Great question! smile.gif You can do if a few ways.

1.)Have more than one camera recording during your performance and edit the footage together.

2.)Have one camera going and just repeat your performance and edit them together.

3.)Have someone who loves taking video shoot/edit for you smile.gif


Thanks Todd smile.gif . For multiple angle shots I would think 2.) would be best because it's not worth buying a second camera just for that (unless you happen to already have one).

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 16 2016, 06:02 AM) *
You can record several takes of audio and video if you are using the one camera method and just cut together the audio and video bits that you liked best.


Would this be recording the audio and video at separate times then synchronizing them together afterwards?


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QUOTE (ChrisGLP @ Feb 16 2016, 08:56 AM) *
Really great Topic... smile.gif

I think beginners like me are not able to play a lesson 2 times exactly the same concerning the finger movements.
So when I first make the audio and afterwards the video and synchronize it, everybody can see that the finger movements
are not exactly that what you can here in the audio.

I don't know if I am right, but I think only professionals can make audio and video separate that the result afterwards looks like
that there are playing the guitar at the same moment when the video is done....

Todd, is it possible to train something like this?


I see what you're saying. I thought the opposite because you're not playing "live" on the video, but making it look the same on video for what you pre-recorded in audio isn't necessarily going to be easy either.


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post Feb 16 2016, 04:24 PM
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I do not own multiple cams so I usually record audio at the same time as very first video shott. Then I simply record additional cam angles and edit it. But this happens only if the song is fully composed with all the details so I don't have to wonder how did I play this in the previous take


No the cool (I think) idea for beginners is to:

1. Record proper for REC section cam angle and view so instructors can precisely detect your potential mistakes and have better reference to give efficient feedback, Record audio and video at the same time
2. Export a video and upload it as "non-public"...don't confuse with "private".
3. Post the video in REC forum section
4. Record additional cam angles "pretending" you play what is already recorded.
5. Mount a cool video with few different cam angles
6. Upload it to youtube as a public video for your personall promotion

I think this solution gives both - cool performance for the public at youtube and recommended, simple video that is essential for instructors to help student fix the mistakes


That's how I see it smile.gif


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post Feb 16 2016, 08:22 PM
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Sure!! smile.gif It's the same as doubling your guitar solo. It just takes wads of practice. Doubling your own guitar solo, note for note, i something that got really big in the 80's during the rise of technical playing but has faded since. It's a bit of a lost art but worth doing, IMHO. If you can put your own notes right on top of each other it not only sounds cool but your videos from different angles will cut together better as well smile.gif In "Pro" music vids, they used to record a band playing a song for several hours straight, including solos and cut the best vid bits together. So the fingers needed to look right smile.gif

One way to work on it is just to write a guitar solo and then just play it again on a separate track. Listen back to see if you can hear any variance, rinse and repeat smile.gif


Todd

QUOTE (ChrisGLP @ Feb 16 2016, 02:56 AM) *
Really great Topic... smile.gif

I think beginners like me are not able to play a lesson 2 times exactly the same concerning the finger movements.
So when I first make the audio and afterwards the video and synchronize it, everybody can see that the finger movements
are not exactly that what you can here in the audio.

I don't know if I am right, but I think only professionals can make audio and video separate that the result afterwards looks like
that there are playing the guitar at the same moment when the video is done....

Todd, is it possible to train something like this?



Well said!! smile.gif REC takes really should be one good take. Youtube videos can get the extra treatment smile.gif


QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Feb 16 2016, 10:24 AM) *
I do not own multiple cams so I usually record audio at the same time as very first video shott. Then I simply record additional cam angles and edit it. But this happens only if the song is fully composed with all the details so I don't have to wonder how did I play this in the previous take


No the cool (I think) idea for beginners is to:

1. Record proper for REC section cam angle and view so instructors can precisely detect your potential mistakes and have better reference to give efficient feedback, Record audio and video at the same time
2. Export a video and upload it as "non-public"...don't confuse with "private".
3. Post the video in REC forum section
4. Record additional cam angles "pretending" you play what is already recorded.
5. Mount a cool video with few different cam angles
6. Upload it to youtube as a public video for your personall promotion

I think this solution gives both - cool performance for the public at youtube and recommended, simple video that is essential for instructors to help student fix the mistakes


That's how I see it smile.gif



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post Feb 17 2016, 11:08 PM
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Have some audio I did before Christmas. I thought it would be easier to deal with audio first so I can deal separately with any issues I come across specific to recording such as not getting it in 1 take, but now in high-sight I realize if recording video at same time you would just use the video take that matches the audio, duh. I guess that’s what Dave Wallimann is referring to at 9:00 of this interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlQ2K638GzA

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug98/articles/20tips.html quote: "Compile a 'best of' solo from multiple whole takes recorded on separate tracks."

I will probably do the lot over again to get video and audio at the same time so I don’t have to synchronize them, and it sort of feels better.

According to some of the consensus I’ve seen on the internet miming guitar is pure evil, even if it’s over your self. I guess on the internet everything is going to be seen as wrong by someone somewhere for some reason!


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post Feb 18 2016, 06:48 AM
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If you do mime guitar a bit, better get it pretty spot on or folks may rip in to it on youtube and say your not really playing it smile.gif I've actually had those comments once or twice when I recorded the video later to a solo I improved the night before. smile.gif But as was mentioned for REC TAKES one cam one take is the way to go. For other vids, it's best to have one good take at least and then you can either use two cams on the same take (easier) or replay the take and synch them (harder)

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 18 2016, 06:48 AM) *
If you do mime guitar a bit, better get it pretty spot on or folks may rip in to it on youtube and say your not really playing it smile.gif I've actually had those comments once or twice when I recorded the video later to a solo I improved the night before. smile.gif But as was mentioned for REC TAKES one cam one take is the way to go. For other vids, it's best to have one good take at least and then you can either use two cams on the same take (easier) or replay the take and synch them (harder)

Todd


Sorry to hear that. Looks like the "Recording Police" caught you, from the department of "Telling others how to do things" (same place where the "Fashion police" and "Bro Gym science" people come from). The only correct police are the spelling and grammar police because they is objective. It just occurred to me that the word "because" is like pirate speak because it derives from putting the word "be" first like Pirates do = "be" "cause" or "What be the cause of that me hearties?" Unfortunately I can type quickly so I can inexpensively bore the internet with my cheap tangents.

As long as the video is over your own playing I couldn't care less (on the internet I notice a lot of people say they "could care less", which is wrong and not what they mean).

You could argue that improvising a solo and coming up with something great is better than recording something you have pre-written. So you didn't happen to record video at the same time as when you did it? So what! It's done, you played it and recorded yourself doing so. I read that some of the greatest Jazz players, after improvising, would be asked in the recording studio to "Do it like that again please" and said no it's different every time.

Really, I think only other musicians can really tell. I just had a look around and notice some guitarists I look up to are miming in some of their videos, I don't care, I still have respect for them. They practised their "chops", got it down in their pyjamas / boxers / coffee stained vest / banana man outfit, it's them playing music they wrote and they didn't have to put their best shirt on, shave and do their hair each and every take to satisfy the recording police. Obviously REC takes are a different matter and purpose though, which isn't what I'm doing at moment.

Someone in the film industry tells me that for lip-sync, sometimes it looks better if you delay the sound by 2 or so frames after the video footage. Seems to work on guitar vids too (live or mimed), if you line them up exactly it sort of doesn't look right, perhaps its how the brain processes sound and vision in relation to each other.


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