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Chris S.
post Feb 24 2016, 07:42 PM
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Hey guys!

I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions for a good bridge pickup (preferably passive) that can get a really big/heavy tone so I can listen to some demos to help choose.

I'm not looking for over the top death metal big, but rather something similar to this:

https://youtu.be/jhC1pI76Rqo?t=30s

I am working on music similar to their style and my stock pickups definitely need an upgrade.

I have a Michael Kelly Patriot Standard and the stock pickups sound rather "cheap" so I'm looking for something with a bit more punch.

Amp wise I am using an Avid Eleven Rack unit - so unfortunately no tube amps which obviously would help, but definitely one day tongue.gif

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Also a good neck pickup to match it? I generally use the bridge pickup mostly, but something that would pair nice for cleans or smoother lead tones.

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post Feb 24 2016, 08:00 PM
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I usually suggest dimarzio d-activator set (but not the X version), their tone is inspired from emg's which means the mid.s are very balanced (which is what you need) but as they're passive the cleans are much more usable.


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post Feb 24 2016, 08:10 PM
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This set?:

Guitar Center D-Activator Set

If so I will definitely have to listen to some samples, thanks! biggrin.gif


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post Feb 24 2016, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE (Chris S. @ Feb 24 2016, 07:10 PM) *
This set?:

Guitar Center D-Activator Set

If so I will definitely have to listen to some samples, thanks! biggrin.gif


Yeah, keep in mind f-spaced mean for floyd type guitars as their strings are a tiny bit wider than ones with vintage trem. .


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post Feb 24 2016, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 24 2016, 07:50 PM) *
Yeah, keep in mind f-spaced mean for floyd type guitars as their strings are a tiny bit wider than ones with vintage trem. .

Good to know! My guitar has a standard Les Paul style bridge so I'll be sure to avoid the f spaced smile.gif


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post Feb 25 2016, 06:53 AM
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The D ACTIVATOR is a great pickup smile.gif Also, the Pegasus/sentient combo is quite nice smile.gif
http://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/pegasus-sentient-set


QUOTE (Chris S. @ Feb 24 2016, 02:52 PM) *
Good to know! My guitar has a standard Les Paul style bridge so I'll be sure to avoid the f spaced smile.gif



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post Feb 25 2016, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE (Chris S. @ Feb 24 2016, 07:52 PM) *
Good to know! My guitar has a standard Les Paul style bridge so I'll be sure to avoid the f spaced smile.gif


Oops sorry seems I gave you missing info, from dimarzio site;

F-spaced pickups measure 2.01" (51 mm) center-to-center from the first polepiece to the sixth. Standard-spaced pickups measure 1.90" (48 mm). Although some players believe that F-spaced pickups are only for the bridge position of tremolo bridge guitars, many guitars with fixed bridges (including post-1998 Gibson® and Epiphone® Les Paul®, SG® and semi-hollow guitars) should have F-spaced pickups in the bridge position. Most tremolo equipped guitars that have a nut width of 1-11/16” (43mm) or more should also use an F-spaced pickup in the neck position. If you’re replacing a bridge-position pickup and you're not sure what your string-spacing is, it's usually better to get an F-spaced model. It is not necessary for the strings to pass exactly over the center of the polepieces for best performance, but it is wise to avoid a situation where the E strings are sitting completely outside of the outer polepieces.

As I understand LP type bridge width can also change, my bad sad.gif


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post Feb 25 2016, 03:02 PM
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IMO - any decent bridge pkup (DiMarzio, Duncan, stock Gibson, etc.) can get you that tone with the right amp model and OD/distortion pedal/model.
The 'secret' in that recorded sound is that the rhythm guitar is doubled (in stereo), if not triple tracked with a lot of compression and limiting.


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post Feb 25 2016, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 25 2016, 02:02 PM) *
IMO - any decent bridge pkup (DiMarzio, Duncan, stock Gibson, etc.) can get you that tone with the right amp model and OD/distortion pedal/model.
The 'secret' in that recorded sound is that the rhythm guitar is doubled (in stereo), if not triple tracked with a lot of compression and limiting.

If the lead and rhythm are playing the same part it sounds much bigger in my recordings, but when they are playing two different parts that's when it gets small - if the rhythm is panned 50% left and the lead 50% right, if I doubled the rhythm would I pan it to the right since it's already panned left? I feel like it would blend with the lead too much


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post Feb 25 2016, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (Chris S. @ Feb 25 2016, 07:42 AM) *
If the lead and rhythm are playing the same part it sounds much bigger in my recordings, but when they are playing two different parts that's when it gets small - if the rhythm is panned 50% left and the lead 50% right, if I doubled the rhythm would I pan it to the right since it's already panned left? I feel like it would blend with the lead too much


Not clear about what you're asking here.
What I'm saying is that the giant guitar sound on the Evanesence track you linked too - that's at least two, maybe 3 separate tracks of rhythm guitar. Possibly done with two or three different set ups (amps, guitars, fx). And to reiterate - any decent 'bucker in the bridge position can theoretically get that tone.

If you want your rhythm tone to not blend too much with your lead tone, then you need to select tones/frequencies that don't get in each others way. This is the art of engineering.

Todd Simpson (instructor here at GMC) can probably help out a lot with this.

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post Feb 25 2016, 06:33 PM
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Thanks Ken - I always knew (the concept at least) what double tracking was - but I never really understood how to apply it; I've been going about it the wrong way when doubling tracks.

I will invest some time on some videos and reading material to get a better understanding and then try some application.

Thanks, man!


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post Feb 25 2016, 08:35 PM
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Good points, a detail is double tracking also tricks the ear as if there is insane distortion going on but track-by-track listening we can characterize them more as "crunch" meaning not so distorted.

Since lesser distortion is lesser masking of the guitars tone, this is when the pickups character can make a difference. Its nice that you experiment first before buying pickups, then it will be more clear if you need an upgrade or not.

There are cool video's on youtube although I don't have any specific in mind, you get to hear whats going on which is cool. Don't rush into it, experimenting will be fun smile.gif





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QUOTE (Chris S. @ Feb 24 2016, 07:42 PM) *
Hey guys!

Amp wise I am using an Avid Eleven Rack unit - so unfortunately no tube amps which obviously would help, but definitely one day tongue.gif

EDIT:

Also a good neck pickup to match it? I generally use the bridge pickup mostly, but something that would pair nice for cleans or smoother lead tones.

Lace pickups can be ordered with different single coils put together to try to create desired tones http://www.lacemusic.com/
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post Feb 26 2016, 06:34 AM
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Double tracking usually means playing the same part twice. Same rythm part and or same lead part. If you play one lead and one rythm and pan them left and right you get something called "phase cancellation" where your signals start to cancel each other out. Is that what you are talking about? smile.gif

For double tracking rythm, play the same thing and pan it right and left and change the eq settings a bit on each track. Don't copy and paste. Actually play it twice. For lead, you can pan it more to the middle so it pops out a bit more. YOu can double track the lead too if you are good enough to pull it off. If not, keep at it til you are!! smile.gif

Todd


QUOTE (Chris S. @ Feb 25 2016, 12:33 PM) *
Thanks Ken - I always knew (the concept at least) what double tracking was - but I never really understood how to apply it; I've been going about it the wrong way when doubling tracks.

I will invest some time on some videos and reading material to get a better understanding and then try some application.

Thanks, man!



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