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post Apr 2 2016, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 2 2016, 10:35 AM) *
I can't speak of others but I always try to inform that we need a one take with clear both hands visibility, once I see it's something different happening in the REC take. You are right - they should not to it other way....but someone has to tell them first. So it's natural that takes like this will happen sometimes. You instead of them are wiser and can avoid this because having all the interest in getting best results in your playing. I think it's alos a matter of how much attention and how much you care about your own progress.

As you know I always was agree with the REC rules but when these are not applied in the same way for all the students I become angry (i'm still upset on all the 3 instructors tongue.gif ).
Maybe you have right and inevitable from time to time will appear takes like these but I trust that from now on, the instructors will not forget to explain about the REC rules. Anyway, if the instructors will forget, I know a crazy blonde girl obsessed by correctness, which will ask for explanations laugh.gif


One more thing:
Maybe would be a cool addition if we can make a place separately by REC section (of course only if we have more people which want this thing) where students can come with takes recorded using different camera angles and receive feedback and fictitious grades (for playing + production) from the instructors. Why I think it would be nice something like this?
The world keeps changing and a lot of people will ask for different things. Quality for the final product goes higher and it's a normal thing. With long time ago people used a normal guitar tuning but nowadays many guys find more cool to play in a lot of different tunings. The same thing happens with the transition from a classic to a modern style of camera recording (straight angles to different angles).

Also I can prove that we have instructors which made the main video from their lesson using different camera angles. Now I have a simple question for you: If you see somebody eating a chocolate and you like the chocolate very much, you don't want to eat one? tongue.gif biggrin.gif

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post Apr 2 2016, 03:55 PM
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Interesting discussion. smile.gif I agree multi-angled videos should be left for youtube or as Monica mentions a disegnated GMC section. Though, I don't think edited videos should be dismissed or lose points in grading (cause its a lot of time and effort) but should be noted that you won't get the most out of the feedback (which is the real reason for REC). Just the same as not showing your picking hand, etc. In other words, I don't think their should be a strict rule but rather some guidelines from instructors on how they want REC video published for proper feedback.

My first REC had audio from the video camera and it was noted that the audio wasn't the best to get feedback. Its a learning process that gets better as you move forward with the REC program.


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post Apr 4 2016, 10:31 AM
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Awesome discussion!

So far it seems we're heading towards where we are today: Only one-take videos should be allowed to make sure instructors are grading performance and not editing skills. If you have the ability to record two angles at the same time that is fine as long as your whole upper body is visible in one of the shots.

You can still use the material you recorded for REC if you want to edit a fancy youtube video (by adding additional angles/takes).

I think it's ok if instructors want to record their lessons with punch-ins using different angles (if done tastefully). They would do it to save time and that means better lesson content for students. Instructors do not produce lessons for GMC to have their playing ability graded, but to inspire students and provide fresh content.


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post Apr 8 2016, 07:01 AM
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I agree with Kris there is a big distinction between the purpose of a students REC video which is for grading and the Instructors videos which is to show the lesson and guitar techniques in the best way possible in order to teach.
With the mentoring there is the chance for the mentor to request a video from a different camera angle from the student in order to get a better view to highlight issues should the need arise.


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I agree with all of this. I would like to say the times I have used the REC system - it helped me and challenged me to do it all in one take. If the path is there to take for someone to fool us because they punched in with separate camera angles, it will be done eventually. As we have said - it devalues the REC system. Those titles under our names are still based on REC, right? So that will mean the student will have a false badge of honor.

I have noticed past instructors that were once active here who sometimes obviously mimed to the video because of a slight mistake in filming the video - but it doesn't really bother me. It's kind of a music video and then they do actually play it in real time on the lesson parts. smile.gif So I think it's completely fair.

I need to get back here on GMC. I miss you guys. smile.gif and the REC program too.

QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Mar 30 2016, 10:20 AM) *
I think there is not much to brainstorm about in this topic if we consider a few reasonable arguments:

1. One take video means you've leanred the lesson because you are able to play it at once. If you made a mistake we can at least what exactly happened with your hands at that moment to suggest a fix. If there is a multiple video shott's then we're not able to do so becasue your hands could act totally different in the "second layer video"

2. Instructors are obligated to put straight, "both hands" videos unless there are multiple parts/layers...which seems to be obvious
You can notice my video in ballad soloing 2 lesson is different than the one I've published on youtube. It has only one shot recording so student can see everything clearly with no distraction

3. You can always upload 2 vidoes. Record one take, one angle video and upload it as "non-public" to youtube. you can post non-public video in the REC thread - we will see it. Then you can record additional video angles to match with previously recorded audio and video. This way you will prepare nice looking adn interesting video for your own promotion on your you tube channel.


Please do not misunderstood the purpose of rec section. We really need to have one take with full song. Otherwise it's hard to tell if something is begin learned properly or not. How can anyone say "I can play this song" if he's not able to play it in one take? We're not robots. It's not the same as recording an album to archive your own work for years forward. REC takes have educational purpose and meaning. Of course they are being used as self promotion by students, but if someone likes to add some more fancy video stuff to make the take look even better, then I highly advice to do it like mentioned above - 2 videos where sencon one is actually a first one + additional shotts



QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Apr 4 2016, 03:31 AM) *
Awesome discussion!

So far it seems we're heading towards where we are today: Only one-take videos should be allowed to make sure instructors are grading performance and not editing skills. If you have the ability to record two angles at the same time that is fine as long as your whole upper body is visible in one of the shots.

You can still use the material you recorded for REC if you want to edit a fancy youtube video (by adding additional angles/takes).

I think it's ok if instructors want to record their lessons with punch-ins using different angles (if done tastefully). They would do it to save time and that means better lesson content for students. Instructors do not produce lessons for GMC to have their playing ability graded, but to inspire students and provide fresh content.



QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Apr 8 2016, 12:01 AM) *
I agree with Kris there is a big distinction between the purpose of a students REC video which is for grading and the Instructors videos which is to show the lesson and guitar techniques in the best way possible in order to teach.
With the mentoring there is the chance for the mentor to request a video from a different camera angle from the student in order to get a better view to highlight issues should the need arise.



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